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[RAFAELLA]

At "Cyprus & EU" forum from a reply I got from Brother among others he posted the following:
"...so when will the ROC respect the rights of tc and stop using Turkey as the exscuse to deny it?"

To be honest I was surprised when I went through this statement of his.
Reading such a statement I realised that Tcs have "no idea" of what TR has donne to CY, to Gcs and Tcs as well.
Do Tcs believe that CyR is violating the rights of Tcs? and Why?

Thank you

[brother]

The TC human rights are being violated in the caretaker goverment of the ROC, any tc who lives in the south has no voting rights(violation 1) any tc who has property in the south and is its citizen cannot sell or live in their property(violation 2) the ROC claims to represent the whole island but no TC in goverment(violation 3) would you like to retort that Turkey denies you the right of return blah blah blah, well two wrongs do not make a right.
Hence if you see us as your brother's or fellow cypriots why do you choose to punish us by denying our human rights that you so strongly advocate for yourselves.


Imagine my surprise when M/s Rafaella made comments to the effect that TC are being loved to death by the ROC, are you related to Tassos the liar(president of the caretaker goverment of cyprus)

[brother]

Reading such a statement I realised that Tcs have "no idea" of what TR has donne to CY, to Gcs and Tcs as well.

Not as surprised as i am about your lack of knowledge that the ROC policy on current affairs is doing to the TC

[boulio]

as soon as turkey lets greek cypriots enjoy there human rights the t/c can enjoy theres,if theres a problem go to court.

[brother]

as soon as turkey lets greek cypriots enjoy there human rights the t/c can enjoy theres,if theres a problem go to court.

An arrogant statement ree bulio, but yet again the Turks do not see the GC as kindred but the GC and TC are kindred, co-citizens etc. hence the ROC should say right Turkey is eating GC peoples human rights but i will not lower myself to that level and let 1/3 of my people suffer because of them.

[boulio]

if we are kindred then why do you not revolt against the illegal occupation of another country on cypriot soil?the turkish army control the free movement in northern cyprus.who opened the gates dektash and his cronies yes?if you sleep with the enemy than that is your problem,i dont see t/c yelling we want to unite with our g/c bretherend(dont even bother mentioning annan plan),all i see is lift embargo so we can live better and sell g/c properties.when will the t/c have there orange revolution?

[brother]

Bulio you have a very short memory, the TC demonstrated prior to the referandum for unity and peace in Cyprus, please try not to have one of those selected memories that feed the nationalistic views and try to take on board what i am saying, which is not about any tc deprieving there gc comrades from their human rights.

[gabaston]

bro

our human rights have been non existant for over 50 years - but at least we got dozens more rights now than under the Makarios regime.

let them keep our rights, they kept them then so they can keep them now.

[cannedmoose]

From the outside, not having visited the north for a while, the way that I'd perceive the sentiments of northern public opinion is this:

In 2003 they came out onto the streets to express their disappointment with the ruling regime and to show their support for the reunification of the island. In 2004, they voted overwhelmingly for what was the most detailed plan, however imperfect, in the history of negotiations over the Cyprus problem. Not every aspect favoured them, but yet they voted in favour of it. In turn, they saw their GC compatriots slam the door on the plan in emphatic fashion and have watched across the border as they denigrated it ever since. In 2005, they finally saw the back of Rauf Denktas and rather than voting in Eroglu, they voted in significant numbers again for Talat, who had been espousing pro-unification, pro-EU sentiments. They have also since seen a great deal of money promised to them by the EU stalled largely as a consequence of the GC side (I'm sure they're not entirely aware of the role that Talat has also played in stalling this).

I'm not saying that TCs have not themselves played a part in stalling efforts at a solution, personally I'm quite disappointed with the stance adopted by Talat since he became leader, but I can understand his reasoning on some issues.

I think it's also similar to an issue that Alex L and I were discussing on this forum the other day. As in GC society, TC civil society is a passive animal, they don't see that much can be achieved through mass rallies because so little has changed as a result of their brave efforts two years ago. The division remains, they remain outside the EU and their policies on the Cyprob continue to be dictated not in Lefkosa but in Ankara.

[Kifeas]

From the outside, not having visited the north for a while, the way that I'd perceive the sentiments of northern public opinion is this:

In 2003 they came out onto the streets to express their disappointment with the ruling regime and to show their support for the reunification of the island. In 2004, they voted overwhelmingly for what was the most detailed plan, however imperfect, in the history of negotiations over the Cyprus problem. Not every aspect favoured them, but yet they voted in favour of it. In turn, they saw their GC compatriots slam the door on the plan in emphatic fashion and have watched across the border as they denigrated it ever since. In 2005, they finally saw the back of Rauf Denktas and rather than voting in Eroglu, they voted in significant numbers again for Talat, who had been espousing pro-unification, pro-EU sentiments. They have also since seen a great deal of money promised to them by the EU stalled largely as a consequence of the GC side (I'm sure they're not entirely aware of the role that Talat has also played in stalling this).

I'm not saying that TCs have not themselves played a part in stalling efforts at a solution, personally I'm quite disappointed with the stance adopted by Talat since he became leader, but I can understand his reasoning on some issues.

I think it's also similar to an issue that Alex L and I were discussing on this forum the other day. As in GC society, TC civil society is a passive animal, they don't see that much can be achieved through mass rallies because so little has changed as a result of their brave efforts two years ago. The division remains, they remain outside the EU and their policies on the Cyprob continue to be dictated not in Lefkosa but in Ankara.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say with the whole posting but I have a few questions.

Which aspect of the plan did not favour the TCs?

Are you surprised that the GCs slammed the door to the plan? Could they have done otherwise with such a plan? Is there anything in the plan that had actually favoured the GCs?

Since when the money promised to the TCs has been denied to them by the GCs? In which way the GCs deprived this E.U. money from the TCs?

Haven’t the TCs been a bit too late in starting those pro-unification, pro-peace rallies? Why only on the 23:55 hour before Cyprus accession in the E.U. to begin demonstrating for a solution? Where have they been for 29 years? What have they been doing all along?

The GC civil society was mobilised to a very large extend in the pre-referendum period. A part of the CS was mobilised in favour of the plan, but the majority against the plan. The end result is well known. What need should mobilise the GC civil society at this momment and against whom we should mobilise?