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[Khan]

Get Real, do you fully understand what serfdom is? And what implications its undoing by the Ottomans had on the Cypriot community? When you understand these you will get my point.

[Malapapa]

Get Real, do you fully understand what serfdom is? And what implications its undoing by the Ottomans had on the Cypriot community? When you understand these you will get my point.

I gotcha, the Ottoman invasion - sorry, intervention - of Cyprus in 1571 was a peace operation.

[Khan]

On the contrary, it was a conquest and invasion in every sense of those words.

The point is though, Ottoman rule freed the Greek Cypriot community to own land and practice their religion, as was custom throughout the Ottoman empire.

[Malapapa]

On the contrary, it was a conquest and invasion in every sense of those words.

Thanks. Just what the Cypriots always wanted.

[Khan]

If only we could all get what we want!

[Malapapa]

If only we could all get what we want!

Apostolides wanted justice. And he's got it.

[Piratis]

Everything was separate since the time they first came to our island during Ottoman rule, since most Turks never really assimilated with the native Cypriot population.

The Ottomans kept their own settlers separate from the native population, giving to their settlers more rights, while treating the rest of the Cypriots as second category people with no rights.

We have made every attempt to assimilate this minority in a country without Ottoman style racist discriminations and human rights violations. Unfortunately most Turks want to maintain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the majority of the population and they refuse to accept democracy and human rights.

If it is so difficult for them to assimilate and live in peace with the rest of the Cypriot population, and since they have absolutely no right to steal our lands, the only way for them to be separate from us is to be repatriated to Turkey, something which will solve all the problems they created since they came to our island.

One should acknowledge, at the very least, that they gave you more rights than the Venetians ever did (your previous overlords).

Ottoman rule was better in some regards compared to the Venetian rule, however in overall the Ottoman rule was worst since 10s of thousands of Cypriots were massacred (life is the ultimate right, and this ultimate right was denied to a large portion of the Cypriot population).

The main issue today however is not what happened in history, but the effects that that history has on Cyprus today. The Venetians and the Latin minority in Cyprus do not cause any problems today. They do not treat us in the way they treated us back then, and they are happy to accept democracy and human rights and be equal Cypriot citizens like the rest of us. They assimilated in the Cypriot society and they do not try to gain privileges on our expense.

The TC minority on the other hand continues to act in a hostile way, and they continue to act as if we are still living in the Ottoman era where the Muslims and Christians should be separated with the Muslims having privileges on the expense of the rest of the population. The reason that this happened in the case of the TC minority is that Turkey continues to want to expand against our island, and they are trying to use their minority on the island as the excuse.

[Pyrpolizer]

And, what makes this "separation" better now?

Because it's seperation without fear of being killed by the other side. It works in Northern Ireland....

Nightmares are part of dreams.
See a horror movie and you will have plenty at night.
Hear a Denktash or an ACTA and you may not even sleep at night.

What a miserable life!

[denizaksulu]

Everything was separate since the time they first came to our island during Ottoman rule, since most Turks never really assimilated with the native Cypriot population.

The Ottomans kept their own settlers separate from the native population, giving to their settlers more rights, while treating the rest of the Cypriots as second category people with no rights.

We have made every attempt to assimilate this minority in a country without Ottoman style racist discriminations and human rights violations. Unfortunately most Turks want to maintain Ottoman style privileges on the expense of the majority of the population and they refuse to accept democracy and human rights.

If it is so difficult for them to assimilate and live in peace with the rest of the Cypriot population, and since they have absolutely no right to steal our lands, the only way for them to be separate from us is to be repatriated to Turkey, something which will solve all the problems they created since they came to our island.

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[denizaksulu]

One should acknowledge, at the very least, that they gave you more rights than the Venetians ever did (your previous overlords).

How stupid can one possibly get... since when is genocide a granting of rights?

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

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Yes GR. The Otto's were at war with the Venetians and not the Cypriot people. The Cypriots were so grateful, they invited the Turks for a halloumi and Commandaria party and kicked the Venetians out.