The Orams Couple is preparing to empty their home in Lapta.
Linda and David Orams told BRT that they are still looking at ways to challenge the verdict.
`If such an option is not possible, we will obey the British Court’s ruling and empty our house` the couple said.
The couple decided to settle in the village during a holiday years ago.
Linda and David Orams were dreaming of a peaceful life while building a house in Lapta.
But, they have been waging a legal struggle since the filing of a case against them by a Greek Cypriot man who formerly owned the land on which the couple built their house.
The couple is now emptying their home.
Linda and David Orams told BRT that the British Court had given them 14 days to vacate the house and that they started to pack household goods before the expiry of the period.
The couple said they are still looking at ways to challenge the verdict through the help of their lawyer and that they are planning to raise an objection at the House of Lords against the decision of the British Court of Appeals.
But, the couple said if they receive a negative response, they will take their household goods to a depot and will apply for a permission to demolish the house.
ORAMS COUPLE PREPARING TO EMPTY THEIR HOME
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by halil » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:55 pm
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by paliometoxo » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:28 pm
They should of thought about that before buying stolen land. if they bought it LEGAL and legit from a LEGAL government they would be okay today but they tried to be cleaver and on top of it IGNORE the gc courts good they deserved this
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by Jerry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:32 pm
Well it seems that Frank http://www.frankandjoan.com/news/2010/jan.htm has fallen out with his fellow carpetbaggers big time: -
January 23rd 2010.
I have had an e-mail criticising my entry of 21st re the Orams. The writer says quite rightly that they can not solely be blamed for the damage to the construction industry here as rightly the legal people, dodgy builders etc have to bear a considerable amount of the blame, not to mention the considerable damage done by Mr Gary Robb.
Since receiving this mail I have discussed the outcome with many here, not just Brits, but some very well established business people not associated directly with construction and their opinion remains as it was in 2005. For this reason I refer you back to my entry of 21st January 2005, reprinted here:-
January 21st 2005.
Controversy. For some time now I have been openly critical of the Orams who have a home here in Lapta and who we all know are involved in a legal dispute with the South,
I have said at various times, “bless them for going south” and even called them “those silly Orams” and in my mind and in the opinion of very many others here not without justification. Anyway they decided to respond by e-mail, reprinted here:-
LAY OFF THE ORAMS!
Twice on your website recently you have referred to us in a patronising and condescending tone. First it was: "Bless them for going to the South", now you call us "the silly Orams's". Why do you consider us "silly" to be protecting our half million pound house in England? Wouldn't you do the same? As it appears you have no property or assets in the UK, you are hardly in a position to make these comments.
You know NOTHING about our case and your crass and personal remarks simply prove your ignorance.
We have done nothing to you to deserve it.
We have no need to defend our actions to you or anybody else. However, we will just say that we have been told by top lawyers in both Cyprus and England that we followed the correct course.
When legal papers were served on us in the UK on New Year's Eve 2005 we, together with our defence team, were well prepared. If Linda hadn't gone to the South over a year before we would have been caught completely offguard.
The result of our case will have far reaching effects. A fact that seems to have escaped your attention.
If you cannot say anything positive and supportive on behalf of fellow Brits - say nothing at all and
restrict your usual ramblings to chocolate cake and cheap meals.
You are always claiming you are fair and will print adverse comments. Prove it by printing this.
David and Linda Orams
First a bit of info. for you both. We still do have property and assets in UK but we are not brash enough to declare the value and then ask for it to be published. But more important is the justifiable reasons for saying what I did.
We have discussed this situation with many friends and with people in business over here and there is clearly one thing that springs out above everything else:-
The Orams’s were directly advised by the President’s office here not to attend the court in the South.
Justification is obvious. The South do not recognize the North except as an occupied territory, therefore the server had no legal right here and it was 100% guaranteed that the case would be lost even before the border was crossed. It is consistently maintained by very, very many here, that had they not attended the court then the case would not have been able to escalate to the current position and would not have fed the hungry publicity machine for the South and would not have had such a devastating effect on the economy of the North. There have in fact been other arrest warrants issued. The recipients were also advised not to attend court, they didn’t and there has been no further publicity. It is a definite fact, that I cannot deny, that this case now has far reaching effects for the North. If the case is eventually won then a very positive situation exists as far as land and property issues here are concerned, let's hope to goodness they do win, because consider the outcome if the case is lost and then consider the initial advice given.
In addition to the above, there is one other reason for my comments. We have heard, some considerable time ago, from a very reliable source, that one of the organizations here, set up to counter the South’s propaganda machine spent around £7,000 to £8,000 on legal advice for the Orams with a team of experienced barristers, which they then chose to ignore. I find that very hard to swallow, especially when I consider that that money came in as small donations from property owners here, encouraged to fund and hopefully improve the North’s publicity campaign.
Enough said, you now know how I feel about this situation and why I have made previous comments, but I shall no longer mention the Orams, unless of course there is an article in the press that I feel needs highlighting. I particularly like articles by that well known correspondent, Tom Roche, who included them in his New Year’s honors list, for NOT seeking publicity in 2005.
The facts remain the case has been finalised everybody is now worried about the future and their position here so we will have to see what the future brings.
There is to be a meeting in parliament here this coming week and no doubt we will get to here the outcome and how much support we can expect.
Meantime the newspaper headline for today reads:- DON'T PANIC.
President Talat is urging the people to "stay calm" in the wake of the Orams verdict and he said that they were evaluating the possibility of further appeals. This despite the ruling in UK that no further appeals were to be allowed. He said that necessary steps will be taken to diminish the economic implications of the verdict and to prevent foreign homebuyers from suffering. Everybody's rights are under guarantee, he said.
Mr Talat accused the court of being one sided and blamed the EU for its unilateral acceptance of South Cyprus into its ranks in 2004 and further said that the Court of Appeal had totally ignored the ongoing negotiations process in Cyprus.
The Foreign Minister and Cabinet spokesman has also said that the government would not allow the estimated 15,000 Britons who had purchased property here to suffer any hardships.
Guess lots more will be written and much water will pass under the bridge before this is resolved, but ultimately this has to be all resolved politically not bit by bit.
January 23rd 2010.
I have had an e-mail criticising my entry of 21st re the Orams. The writer says quite rightly that they can not solely be blamed for the damage to the construction industry here as rightly the legal people, dodgy builders etc have to bear a considerable amount of the blame, not to mention the considerable damage done by Mr Gary Robb.
Since receiving this mail I have discussed the outcome with many here, not just Brits, but some very well established business people not associated directly with construction and their opinion remains as it was in 2005. For this reason I refer you back to my entry of 21st January 2005, reprinted here:-
January 21st 2005.
Controversy. For some time now I have been openly critical of the Orams who have a home here in Lapta and who we all know are involved in a legal dispute with the South,
I have said at various times, “bless them for going south” and even called them “those silly Orams” and in my mind and in the opinion of very many others here not without justification. Anyway they decided to respond by e-mail, reprinted here:-
LAY OFF THE ORAMS!
Twice on your website recently you have referred to us in a patronising and condescending tone. First it was: "Bless them for going to the South", now you call us "the silly Orams's". Why do you consider us "silly" to be protecting our half million pound house in England? Wouldn't you do the same? As it appears you have no property or assets in the UK, you are hardly in a position to make these comments.
You know NOTHING about our case and your crass and personal remarks simply prove your ignorance.
We have done nothing to you to deserve it.
We have no need to defend our actions to you or anybody else. However, we will just say that we have been told by top lawyers in both Cyprus and England that we followed the correct course.
When legal papers were served on us in the UK on New Year's Eve 2005 we, together with our defence team, were well prepared. If Linda hadn't gone to the South over a year before we would have been caught completely offguard.
The result of our case will have far reaching effects. A fact that seems to have escaped your attention.
If you cannot say anything positive and supportive on behalf of fellow Brits - say nothing at all and
restrict your usual ramblings to chocolate cake and cheap meals.
You are always claiming you are fair and will print adverse comments. Prove it by printing this.
David and Linda Orams
First a bit of info. for you both. We still do have property and assets in UK but we are not brash enough to declare the value and then ask for it to be published. But more important is the justifiable reasons for saying what I did.
We have discussed this situation with many friends and with people in business over here and there is clearly one thing that springs out above everything else:-
The Orams’s were directly advised by the President’s office here not to attend the court in the South.
Justification is obvious. The South do not recognize the North except as an occupied territory, therefore the server had no legal right here and it was 100% guaranteed that the case would be lost even before the border was crossed. It is consistently maintained by very, very many here, that had they not attended the court then the case would not have been able to escalate to the current position and would not have fed the hungry publicity machine for the South and would not have had such a devastating effect on the economy of the North. There have in fact been other arrest warrants issued. The recipients were also advised not to attend court, they didn’t and there has been no further publicity. It is a definite fact, that I cannot deny, that this case now has far reaching effects for the North. If the case is eventually won then a very positive situation exists as far as land and property issues here are concerned, let's hope to goodness they do win, because consider the outcome if the case is lost and then consider the initial advice given.
In addition to the above, there is one other reason for my comments. We have heard, some considerable time ago, from a very reliable source, that one of the organizations here, set up to counter the South’s propaganda machine spent around £7,000 to £8,000 on legal advice for the Orams with a team of experienced barristers, which they then chose to ignore. I find that very hard to swallow, especially when I consider that that money came in as small donations from property owners here, encouraged to fund and hopefully improve the North’s publicity campaign.
Enough said, you now know how I feel about this situation and why I have made previous comments, but I shall no longer mention the Orams, unless of course there is an article in the press that I feel needs highlighting. I particularly like articles by that well known correspondent, Tom Roche, who included them in his New Year’s honors list, for NOT seeking publicity in 2005.
The facts remain the case has been finalised everybody is now worried about the future and their position here so we will have to see what the future brings.
There is to be a meeting in parliament here this coming week and no doubt we will get to here the outcome and how much support we can expect.
Meantime the newspaper headline for today reads:- DON'T PANIC.
President Talat is urging the people to "stay calm" in the wake of the Orams verdict and he said that they were evaluating the possibility of further appeals. This despite the ruling in UK that no further appeals were to be allowed. He said that necessary steps will be taken to diminish the economic implications of the verdict and to prevent foreign homebuyers from suffering. Everybody's rights are under guarantee, he said.
Mr Talat accused the court of being one sided and blamed the EU for its unilateral acceptance of South Cyprus into its ranks in 2004 and further said that the Court of Appeal had totally ignored the ongoing negotiations process in Cyprus.
The Foreign Minister and Cabinet spokesman has also said that the government would not allow the estimated 15,000 Britons who had purchased property here to suffer any hardships.
Guess lots more will be written and much water will pass under the bridge before this is resolved, but ultimately this has to be all resolved politically not bit by bit.
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Unlike the refugees of 1974, they get to take their belongings with them!
by Acikgoz » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:27 pm
Get Real, you forgot about mentioning the TC refugees who also ran from GCs, those that were able to get out with their lives from their villages from 1963-74 inclusive. Remember there has been pain inflicted on innocents on both sides, just you cannot help but distort the realities!
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by Get Real! » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:31 pm
Acikgoz wrote:Get Real, you forgot about mentioning the TC refugees who also ran from GCs, those that were able to get out with their lives from their villages from 1963-74 inclusive. Remember there has been pain inflicted on innocents on both sides, just you cannot help but distort the realities!
Why don't you quote and highlight the "distortion" in my post so you can show us what a clever little Turkish Cypriot you are?
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