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[Chrisswirl]

The Greeks got Greece, the Turks got Turkey, the Iraqis got Iraq, the the Armenians got at least some land to make Armenia, but what do the Kurds get? There are quite a lot of them... surely a country could be made where they are a majority in South East Turkey and Northern Iraq; this would solve a lot of problems. Just as the Palestinians need a country to prevent the National struggle lasting forever, to stop deaths and promote freedom and self governance of people who have been in that land for centuaries.

[Murtaza]

Maybe you should want to give them some of your land? hmm?

I support every right of Kurds, Even kurdish can be second langauge of Turkey. But No, I will not give my land, At that lands there are not only kurds but, Turks, zazas or other ethnics too.

[magikthrill]

but it is ok to give my land away to turkish settlers and not ok to give land inhabitants who live on it?

doubel standards again... the only way you can prove your point...

[Chrisswirl]

Maybe you should want to give them some of your land? hmm?

Exactly what magikthrill said. You already took 37% of it.

From your point of view taking that land was legal for the 18% of Turkish Cypriots who live in Cyprus, why not 20% of Turkey for the 20% Kurds (remembering that in the South East that percentage is much higher, unlike in Cyprus where it was pretty evenly spread at around 18%, so proportionally there would be far fewer refugees)?

[bg_turk]

No country would willingly give its land up without war.

[Chrisswirl]

So if the Kurds invaded Turkey to protect their minority (although a Turk wouldn't clasify them a minority as they despise Turkish Cypriots being called a minority, I'm not disputing that, I'm just applying the same rules to everyone), just as Turkey invaded Cyprus, that would be justified, right?

[bg_turk]

What I am trying to say is justice does not exist in international relations.
Such an invasion would be justifiable to kurds, and unjustifiable to turks - who is right - of course the one who wins the war.

As far as minorities are concerned, Greece and Bulgaria recgonize no minorities on their territories either.

Cyprus recognizes turks as a minority because that is what it wants, to have them as a minority in a greek dominated state, rather than as a different state.

[bg_turk]

although a Turk wouldn't clasify them a minority as they despise Turkish Cypriots being called a minority

You mean the Turkish State does not accept them as a minority. I am a Turk and I accept granting kurds minority status and I am for the preservation of their cultural heritage. Such generalizations about all turks are unnecessary .

[Turkey (( *]

What I am trying to say is justice does not exist in international relations.

I second that! When Israelis didn't have land they just went into Middle East and started a war, and US supported them, so now Palestine is getting smaller and smaller! There IS NO justice in international relations, that is how the World works!

[Murtaza]

although a Turk wouldn't clasify them a minority as they despise Turkish Cypriots being called a minority

You mean the Turkish State does not accept them as a minority. I am a Turk and I accept granting kurds minority status and I am for the preservation of their cultural heritage. Such generalizations about all turks are unnecessary .

I agree. I support for their cultural rights too.