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[Epiktitos]

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth.

What the hell are you on about? It's priceless that you should accuse the GCs of not "sharing the wealth" when it is the TCs who hold 37% of the territory of the Republic to ransom and flog it off to foreigners.

Do you suppose that the wealth of the Republic is based on the effortless extraction of oil, and that the GCs sit back and spend government handouts? No sonny, the wealth of the Republic is based on the hard work of the Cypriot people who compete economically on a level playing field with the rest of the European Union; the RoC is not Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

Furthermore, the real reason that the tnucland economy is so far back in the stone age when compared to that of the RoC is not because of the supposed restraints on trade or the GCs somehow not sharing the wealth, it's because the tnucland workforce is by comparison uneducated, unskilled and uncompetitive; and because of the self-inflicted illegitimacy of the tnucland regime, which discourages almost every entity with scruples from investing there. This is evidenced by the fact that the leading contributor to the tnuc economy (after direct cash payments by turkey, of course!) is flogging off the property of ethnically cleansed GCs to foreigners!

You know, I really roll my eyes at folk like you who misconstrue what I write. I'm writing about a lack of trust, and you're responding with propaganda and accusation. Please stick to the topic at hand, and I may have some respect for you...

Humour us all and list the accusations that I have made. After that, list the propaganda arguments I have made. Also make a list of all the nonfactual statements I have made. I only wrote a dozen sentences, it can't be that hard. Feel free to even use copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. Then explain in language even a simpleton such as myself can understand how I have misconstrued what you've written. I'll wait.

[Jimski999]

Expat
The South does already share the wealth with the TC's. Many TC's work in the South travelling daily across the devide and are able to benefit from the ROC state. Unfortunately this is derided by some CF members but nevertheless it's true.

Jimski

[denizaksulu]

SO what do you expect us to do just roll over and accept minority status in a GC unitary state run by GCs exposed to the pittfalls and discrimination that only GC are so good at.

Why complicate things? We just expect you to roll over and die.

You sound like 'Goldfinger' with your expectation.

[CBBB]

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth.

What the hell are you on about? It's priceless that you should accuse the GCs of not "sharing the wealth" when it is the TCs who hold 37% of the territory of the Republic to ransom and flog it off to foreigners.

Do you suppose that the wealth of the Republic is based on the effortless extraction of oil, and that the GCs sit back and spend government handouts? No sonny, the wealth of the Republic is based on the hard work of the Cypriot people who compete economically on a level playing field with the rest of the European Union; the RoC is not Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

Furthermore, the real reason that the tnucland economy is so far back in the stone age when compared to that of the RoC is not because of the supposed restraints on trade or the GCs somehow not sharing the wealth, it's because the tnucland workforce is by comparison uneducated, unskilled and uncompetitive; and because of the self-inflicted illegitimacy of the tnucland regime, which discourages almost every entity with scruples from investing there. This is evidenced by the fact that the leading contributor to the tnuc economy (after direct cash payments by turkey, of course!) is flogging off the property of ethnically cleansed GCs to foreigners!

You know, I really roll my eyes at folk like you who misconstrue what I write. I'm writing about a lack of trust, and you're responding with propaganda and accusation. Please stick to the topic at hand, and I may have some respect for you...

Where is there a lack of trust when many TCs come to work here everyday, visit the Government hospitals, the private clinics, eat in the restaurants, drink in the pubs and God knows what else.

I won't mention carrying RoC passports and ID cards.

If you took your head out of your arse long enough to see what was going on, you might have a different opinion, sorry I forgot, you don't live here, so you have no f*ing idea!

[paliometoxo]

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth.

What the hell are you on about? It's priceless that you should accuse the GCs of not "sharing the wealth" when it is the TCs who hold 37% of the territory of the Republic to ransom and flog it off to foreigners.

Do you suppose that the wealth of the Republic is based on the effortless extraction of oil, and that the GCs sit back and spend government handouts? No sonny, the wealth of the Republic is based on the hard work of the Cypriot people who compete economically on a level playing field with the rest of the European Union; the RoC is not Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

Furthermore, the real reason that the tnucland economy is so far back in the stone age when compared to that of the RoC is not because of the supposed restraints on trade or the GCs somehow not sharing the wealth, it's because the tnucland workforce is by comparison uneducated, unskilled and uncompetitive; and because of the self-inflicted illegitimacy of the tnucland regime, which discourages almost every entity with scruples from investing there. This is evidenced by the fact that the leading contributor to the tnuc economy (after direct cash payments by turkey, of course!) is flogging off the property of ethnically cleansed GCs to foreigners!

You know, I really roll my eyes at folk like you who misconstrue what I write. I'm writing about a lack of trust, and you're responding with propaganda and accusation. Please stick to the topic at hand, and I may have some respect for you...

Where is there a lack of trust when many TCs come to work here everyday, visit the Government hospitals, the private clinics, eat in the restaurants, drink in the pubs and God knows what else.

I won't mention carrying RoC passports and ID cards.

If you took your head out of your arse long enough to see what was going on, you might have a different opinion, sorry I forgot, you don't live here, so you have no f*ing idea!

yes re file i agree with you.. i can already tell you some of the tcs will say the south are forced to offer that to the tcs.. and claim to represent the whole island so that must mean we have to take care of the tcs and them give us nothing because they want their own state and not one.. well the majority of them

[Expatkiwi]

What the hell are you on about? It's priceless that you should accuse the GCs of not "sharing the wealth" when it is the TCs who hold 37% of the territory of the Republic to ransom and flog it off to foreigners.

Do you suppose that the wealth of the Republic is based on the effortless extraction of oil, and that the GCs sit back and spend government handouts? No sonny, the wealth of the Republic is based on the hard work of the Cypriot people who compete economically on a level playing field with the rest of the European Union; the RoC is not Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

Furthermore, the real reason that the tnucland economy is so far back in the stone age when compared to that of the RoC is not because of the supposed restraints on trade or the GCs somehow not sharing the wealth, it's because the tnucland workforce is by comparison uneducated, unskilled and uncompetitive; and because of the self-inflicted illegitimacy of the tnucland regime, which discourages almost every entity with scruples from investing there. This is evidenced by the fact that the leading contributor to the tnuc economy (after direct cash payments by turkey, of course!) is flogging off the property of ethnically cleansed GCs to foreigners!

What has been said here is a mix of the oft-repeated official line from both the RoCy Government and biases from members of this forum. That can be classified as propaganda.

Humour us all and list the accusations that I have made. After that, list the propaganda arguments I have made. Also make a list of all the nonfactual statements I have made. I only wrote a dozen sentences, it can't be that hard. Feel free to even use copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. Then explain in language even a simpleton such as myself can understand how I have misconstrued what you've written. I'll wait.

I made a simple statement saying that the lack of trust is preventing reconciliation, and you fire back with what you wrote above. You don't talk about trust building in response. You just latch onto the fact that I think partition is the best option, which in your eyes is an unpardonable sin.

[Hermes]

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth. Convincing them that this is so is going to be a challenge, if some of the members of this forum are any indication.

Of course it makes sense. Everything I write makes sense. But it is not based on a "flimsy premise". Sharing the wealth of Cyprus means that all citizens will need to become productive and useful members of a reunified island. It does not mean hand outs and subsidies. Turkish Cypriots will need to work hard, improve their skills, build businesses and compete for jobs. The Cypriot economy has no time for shirkers and parasites who think the world owes them a living. Greek Cypriots have built up the wealth of Cyprus on the back of their skill, education and sheer hard work. Turkish Cypriots will need to up their game if they are to participate and prosper. It is a real challenge. T/Cs have lived in a comfort zone of Turkish largesse which is now over. They are going to be cut adrift and it will be sink or swim. Reading many T/Cs on this forum, I'm not sure if they are really up for it.

[YFred]

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth. Convincing them that this is so is going to be a challenge, if some of the members of this forum are any indication.

Of course it makes sense. Everything I write makes sense. But it is not based on a "flimsy premise". Sharing the wealth of Cyprus means that all citizens will need to become productive and useful members of a reunified island. It does not mean hand outs and subsidies. Turkish Cypriots will need to work hard, improve their skills, build businesses and compete for jobs. The Cypriot economy has no time for shirkers and parasites who think the world owes them a living. Greek Cypriots have built up the wealth of Cyprus on the back of their skill, education and sheer hard work. Turkish Cypriots will need to up their game if they are to participate and prosper. It is a real challenge. T/Cs have lived in a comfort zone of Turkish largesse which is now over. They are going to be cut adrift and it will be sink or swim. Reading many T/Cs on this forum, I'm not sure if they are really up for it.

You must be a Yorkshire man, e by gum lad. When I wen't down t pit. I remember that speech was made by Norman Tebbitt about the lazy unemployed in UK in the 80s. I see fascism is alive. Those Lazy TCs honestly. The fact that most of them do 3 jobs to survive is neither here or there, you ignorant fatherless person.

[Epiktitos]

What the hell are you on about? It's priceless that you should accuse the GCs of not "sharing the wealth" when it is the TCs who hold 37% of the territory of the Republic to ransom and flog it off to foreigners.

Do you suppose that the wealth of the Republic is based on the effortless extraction of oil, and that the GCs sit back and spend government handouts? No sonny, the wealth of the Republic is based on the hard work of the Cypriot people who compete economically on a level playing field with the rest of the European Union; the RoC is not Qatar or Abu Dhabi.

Furthermore, the real reason that the tnucland economy is so far back in the stone age when compared to that of the RoC is not because of the supposed restraints on trade or the GCs somehow not sharing the wealth, it's because the tnucland workforce is by comparison uneducated, unskilled and uncompetitive; and because of the self-inflicted illegitimacy of the tnucland regime, which discourages almost every entity with scruples from investing there. This is evidenced by the fact that the leading contributor to the tnuc economy (after direct cash payments by turkey, of course!) is flogging off the property of ethnically cleansed GCs to foreigners!

What has been said here is a mix of the oft-repeated official line from both the RoCy Government and biases from members of this forum. That can be classified as propaganda.

Humour us all and list the accusations that I have made. After that, list the propaganda arguments I have made. Also make a list of all the nonfactual statements I have made. I only wrote a dozen sentences, it can't be that hard. Feel free to even use copy and paste if it makes it easier for you. Then explain in language even a simpleton such as myself can understand how I have misconstrued what you've written. I'll wait.

I made a simple statement saying that the lack of trust is preventing reconciliation, and you fire back with what you wrote above. You don't talk about trust building in response. You just latch onto the fact that I think partition is the best option, which in your eyes is an unpardonable sin.

It might surprise you sonny, but people actually can read and conclude for themselves that you're full of crap. In the post of yours to which I responded, you made no statement about trust, you made a statement about sharing of wealth, suggesting that GCs were somehow not sharing the wealth of the Republic with the TCs:

This post of yours actually makes sense, but it is based on a very flimsy premise: that the GC's are ready to welcome the TC's back, and are willing to share the wealth.

To which I responded. I repeat my challenge to you: please point out (even by copy and paste) which of my statements are falsehoods, which are biased, and which are the official line from the RoC government. And while you're at it, can you please let me know how I can inform myself of the official RoC in order to be better able to parrot it.