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[Viewpoint]

with your posts saying partition will happen knowing its not what gcs want.. saying it like we have no choice in the matter and even if we voted no for a anan plan two states that means you will get it anyway.. thats not equal rights thats forcing partition on the gcs..

what language should my signature be in? turkish? english? greek is my first language it does not promote hatred for turks or anything its just a song i can change it if it bothers you. i dont mind

If we cannot agree a solution then thats what will happen, its happened physically and will after more GC rejections at worst the status quo will continue.

If you read the forum rules you will see there is a rule that stipulates everything should be in English, if we are not allowed our flag then you should not be allowed a signature in Greek.

my point exactly.. you feel you as tcs should have say what happens.. there is also the option of we cant work out a solution so turks go home right? why does the non solution have to benefit the turkish side..

you put plans of partition and because we reject it you say the punishment must be partition so its either partition or partition.. and thats not being EQUALS in cyprus as you say gcs would do to tcs.. and infact turks are trying to do worse to gcs.

Let me try and explain I hope you can be open minded enough to understand, we are looking for a solution right now where both sides are equals and one cannot stamp all over the other and take control of the whole island bringing with it the risk of dominaiton leading to internal conflict.

If this is not possible then the current status quo will continue and everyone will fight for what they currently have and that might even be agreed parititon with return of land and Gc property rights, these are all alternative possibilites if we cannot find a solution, dont forget it was the Gcs who said no at the last referendum and thats how the world sees things.

How do you expect me to capitulate to GC demands of reducing my community down to minority status in my own country? This is not possible and we will never accept anything close to this so its time the GCs moved on and understood that the offer on the table and which currently being negotiated is a BBf with political equality of the constiuent states.

[bill cobbett]

Something very fishy about this poll. So fishy it's pollocks!

Have Illegal Settlers been shipped in to CF to change demographics?

[Hermes]

Something very fishy about this poll. So fishy it's pollocks!

Have Illegal Settlers been shipped in to CF to change demographics?

I hear VP has brought a family of ten over from Anatolia especially.

[Viewpoint]

3 more votes and we are there TCs time to band together come one we can do it.

[paliometoxo]

with your posts saying partition will happen knowing its not what gcs want.. saying it like we have no choice in the matter and even if we voted no for a anan plan two states that means you will get it anyway.. thats not equal rights thats forcing partition on the gcs..

what language should my signature be in? turkish? english? greek is my first language it does not promote hatred for turks or anything its just a song i can change it if it bothers you. i dont mind

If we cannot agree a solution then thats what will happen, its happened physically and will after more GC rejections at worst the status quo will continue.

If you read the forum rules you will see there is a rule that stipulates everything should be in English, if we are not allowed our flag then you should not be allowed a signature in Greek.

my point exactly.. you feel you as tcs should have say what happens.. there is also the option of we cant work out a solution so turks go home right? why does the non solution have to benefit the turkish side..

you put plans of partition and because we reject it you say the punishment must be partition so its either partition or partition.. and thats not being EQUALS in cyprus as you say gcs would do to tcs.. and infact turks are trying to do worse to gcs.

Let me try and explain I hope you can be open minded enough to understand, we are looking for a solution right now where both sides are equals and one cannot stamp all over the other and take control of the whole island bringing with it the risk of dominaiton leading to internal conflict.

If this is not possible then the current status quo will continue and everyone will fight for what they currently have and that might even be agreed parititon with return of land and Gc property rights, these are all alternative possibilites if we cannot find a solution, dont forget it was the Gcs who said no at the last referendum and thats how the world sees things.

How do you expect me to capitulate to GC demands of reducing my community down to minority status in my own country? This is not possible and we will never accept anything close to this so its time the GCs moved on and understood that the offer on the table and which currently being negotiated is a BBf with political equality of the constiuent states.

i think the elections in the north will decide our fate.. i am waiting to see what happens

you cant expect gcs to capitulate to turkish demands either and split the island officially.. having to show a passport in my OWNE country to pass from one side tot he other? why should i have to? why should gcs be the one to make all the compromise the suite the tcs.. we have needs to.. your talking about gcs trampling all over the tcs but thats what the turks are trying to do ..

[paliometoxo]

3 more votes and we are there TCs time to band together come one we can do it.

i hope you dont think more votes will change anything?

the tcs could have 100000 votes for yes it would not help

18/20...

come on tcs vote more.. i should of voted yes just to help prove my point

[Khan]

Do not confuse nationhood with statehood. Plenty of nations without states have their own flag i.e. Uighurs, Palestinians, Tibetans etc. To deny the TRNC flag could be interpreted by some as denying Turkish Cypriots to their own sense of nationhood, which though you may disagree with, is still entirely their right.

Do not confuse a nation with a territory that has been annexed by force and declared illegal under international law.

The Palestinians and Tibetans are victims of aggression. They have not declared a state on territory which does not legally belong to them.

I am not confusing it, you are. The TRNC flag is not simply the flag of a state, or self-proclaimed state if you like, it is for many the flag of Turkish Cypriots themselves, including those thousands of miles away in the UK, Australia and Canada.

As I said, it should either be both or none at all.

[Malapapa]

Something very fishy about this poll. So fishy it's pollocks!

Have Illegal Settlers been shipped in to CF to change demographics?

No I was feeling a bit sorry for VP after the Orams fiasco - you've seen how bad he's taken it. So I set up a few new "nicks" (CyprusForumMember 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5) and voted "Yes" to cheer him up. Don't tell him though as he thinks he's securing some kind of counter moral victory... and I wouldn't want to burst his bubble.

[paliometoxo]

what state? show me this state on a uk map you bought from a store or from australia or canada or the us.. labeled TRNC... not just showing north cy on a map one where they acknowledge trnc apart from a turkish map

[Khan]

what state? show me this state on a uk map you bought from a store or from australia or canada or the us.. labeled TRNC... not just showing north cy on a map one where they acknowledge trnc apart from a turkish map

I think like humanist, you are confusing nationhood with statehood. As I said in my first post, nations do not necessarily need states to carry flags. Nations also do not have to appear on maps in foreign countries to have a sense of self-identity. Turkish Cypriots, wherever they are in the world, by and large recognise 'that' flag to represent their community in some way or another, regardless of legal recognition.