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Çongar: There is a coup plan in the garb of war games

Postby CBBB » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:38 am

Yasemin Çongar, the deputy editor-in-chief of the Taraf daily, gives no credence to explanations coming from some in military circles that the senior members of the Turkish military were only making plans for war games and that such a thing is normal.

“While everything is calm, there is a perception of a threat in the military because the government that has come to power is one they consider the enemy, reactionary in nature, and so what can be done to bring them down and create chaos?” she said, answering questions from Today's Zaman for Monday Talk.

“There is a war game that describes which doors to the mosque are to be used by the members of the military placing the bombs, details that even talk about which vehicles are to be used in all of this and explanations about how this sort of chaos and terror can be created,” she said, adding that this is a coup plan disguised in the garb of war games. Last Wednesday, the Taraf daily, which had already published numerous plans by the military to purge conservative Muslims from its ranks, manipulate the judiciary and create a military-friendly media, published yet another military plot dubbed “Sledgehammer,” a plot that shocked the entire nation. According to the daily, the coup plan was drafted in 2003, shortly after the Justice and Development Party (AK Party) came to power.

Raed the rest of the story here http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... games.html
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:24 am

Hubba-bubba, toil and trouble, mosques, military, Turkish governments and coo-coo-coups! Civil war and strife: call your 43,000 killer-robots back lest Turkey splintered into tiny bits; Kurds help yourselves ... 8)
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Re: Çongar: There is a coup plan in the garb of war games

Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:31 am

CBBB wrote:Yasemin Çongar, the deputy editor-in-chief of the Taraf daily, gives no credence to explanations coming from some in military circles that the senior members of the Turkish military were only making plans for war games and that such a thing is normal.

“While everything is calm, there is a perception of a threat in the military because the government that has come to power is one they consider the enemy, reactionary in nature, and so what can be done to bring them down and create chaos?” she said, answering questions from Today's Zaman for Monday Talk.

“There is a war game that describes which doors to the mosque are to be used by the members of the military placing the bombs, details that even talk about which vehicles are to be used in all of this and explanations about how this sort of chaos and terror can be created,” she said, adding that this is a coup plan disguised in the garb of war games. Last Wednesday, the Taraf daily, which had already published numerous plans by the military to purge conservative Muslims from its ranks, manipulate the judiciary and create a military-friendly media, published yet another military plot dubbed “Sledgehammer,” a plot that shocked the entire nation. According to the daily, the coup plan was drafted in 2003, shortly after the Justice and Development Party (AK Party) came to power.

Raed the rest of the story here http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... games.html

Of course they will never attack an eu member. They will chop it off first.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:48 pm

The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:50 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
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Unfortunatly I lost my contact in the Turkish High Command so I have no other info regarding that?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:01 pm

YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
:wink:
Unfortunatly I lost my contact in the Turkish High Command so I have no other info regarding that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It is being argued that this decision by the Constitutional Court is itself in breach of article 145 of the constitution governing the competence of military courts. We can expect this decision to be challenged on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. A great deal is riding on this.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:03 pm

YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
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What are they going to do? Fly low over the High Court in London for delivering such unacceptable judgements?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:05 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
:wink:
Unfortunatly I lost my contact in the Turkish High Command so I have no other info regarding that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It is being argued that this decision by the Constitutional Court is itself in breach of article 145 of the constitution governing the competence of military courts. We can expect this decision to be challenged on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. A great deal is riding on this.

Until the Military is removed from the government, very little can be done about this. There is only one way to do this and that is the progression of the eu talks. And I guess we know who is holding them up? Well at least they would like to think they do anyway.
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Postby CBBB » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:18 pm

YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
:wink:
Unfortunatly I lost my contact in the Turkish High Command so I have no other info regarding that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It is being argued that this decision by the Constitutional Court is itself in breach of article 145 of the constitution governing the competence of military courts. We can expect this decision to be challenged on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. A great deal is riding on this.

Until the Military is removed from the government, very little can be done about this. There is only one way to do this and that is the progression of the eu talks. And I guess we know who is holding them up? Well at least they would like to think they do anyway.


So if those that think they are holding up Turkey's EU talks aren't, who is?

Possibly everyone else in the EU?
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Postby Lit » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:43 pm

CBBB wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The really significant development was the annulment last week by the Turkish Constitutional Court of an amendment previously made by parliament to the law to enable military officers to be tried in civilian courts during peacetime. This development will obviously strenghten the military's hand.

Something is a foot as the old saying goes, as the military does not do anything for nothing and do prepare for their future activities.
:wink:
Unfortunatly I lost my contact in the Turkish High Command so I have no other info regarding that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It is being argued that this decision by the Constitutional Court is itself in breach of article 145 of the constitution governing the competence of military courts. We can expect this decision to be challenged on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. A great deal is riding on this.

Until the Military is removed from the government, very little can be done about this. There is only one way to do this and that is the progression of the eu talks. And I guess we know who is holding them up? Well at least they would like to think they do anyway.


So if those that think they are holding up Turkey's EU talks aren't, who is?



The Turkish military.

The Turkish military doesn’t care about joining the EU. That would actually be to its detriment as it would have to adhere to EU rules. The Turkish military is only concerned about keeping power, period.
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