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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:56 am

CBBB wrote:It is very good to see that Paphitis in Australia knows more about the geopolitical situation in the eastern Mediterranean than those of us that live here!


Should I stop participating because I live in Australia?

Would you like to have a word with an Adana POW who also lives here, or should he not speak because he is out of touch?

How many of you are out of touch with reality by forming some unrealistic political analysis and actually live in Cyprus (with the exception of Pyro, Piratis, DT and Kifeas).

You are just too stupid....
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:53 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:You keep mentioning this political battle, which we are losing despite some superficial ECHR hearings.

If we are so good at this political war, and since you are under the impression we are winning this political war, then please tell me when the TA will withdraw. Perhaps never?

Sorry Milti, but this political war is only played out on Turkey's terms and we will lose. Politicians are taking you all for a ride.

Did you say superficial !!!!
Paphitis , since the invasion of 1974 the most historically important day in the entire history of Cyprus has been the entry into the EU , the second most important date that will go down in history is the confirmation by the EC and the Royal Courts of Justice that only the RoC is considered the legal sovereign power in Cyprus.
The political battle that was won on Tuesday the 19th will have repercussions far more poignant that has so far been imagined .
I maintain that the large majority of T/Cs do not support the sale of G/C properties and those T/Cs with properties in the RoC can now take comfort that their legal status as the owners of such properties is guaranteed by the EC and all other Judiciary the world over.
Our T/C compatriots will rejoice knowing that justice has been carried out , their properties are safeguarded as indeed they should be.


Yes Milti. It's all superficial in terms of a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

May I also remind you that I too have an ECHR case filed, but am under no illusion as to the futility of this "political war".

Paphitis , don't make a fool of your self mate , None on this forum would agree with you that Tuesdays outcome is merely superficial and futile !
Tell this to Mr Apostolides who fought for almost 5 years , tell him he has wasted his time , tell him that the results are meaningless .
I told you before that although I can see a lot of goodness in you I can also see a lot of immaturity . The outcome has been an historical event that will be celebrated with the same fervour as March the 25th.


When all is being lost, it's so easy to latch onto inconsequential legal wins which will not solve the Cyprus Issue by removing all troops from Cyprus.

All legal cases are rather irrelevant to the liberation of Cyprus.

They achieve nothing other than give some justice to some refugees only when Turkey abides by the court's verdict which it does not have to do.

I can see in the post by VP that he entirely agrees with your views concerning the "insignificant " according to you and Turkeys position , which you endorse.
Paphitis THINK before you post .Let me say it again
On its own Cyprus has very few historical dates.
The start of the liberation struggle , April 1st 1955 , Independence day , with hindsight not really much of a celebratory event , then the day of our European entry May the 1st 2004 which I personally see as the greatest day in the history of Cyprus followed by 19th January 2010 , the endorsement by the Royal Courts of Justice of the EC Judgement.
An event of immense importance to our political struggle which Turkey , and you are in agreement , is playing down as insignificant.
I shall remind you in the very near future of the huge importance of this historic event.
As I gather you are still convinced that we should declare war on Turkey , kill and get killed , thousands upon thousands will lose their lives , the infrastructure that took years and much effort to create will disappear , progress will come to a standstill , yet you still support this suicide mission !!
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:07 pm

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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:08 pm

You have it all wrong.

I don't speak for Cyprus because I don't blame Cyprus for anything. I blame Greece for behaving like sell outs to their national cause. If Greece had some guts and a sense of responsibility, then that changes things considerably. And yes, I don't believe Turkey will withdraw it's troops unless it is forced to. And neither do you.

Reality is a cruel thing my friend.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:29 pm

I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:32 pm

I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:32 pm

I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:38 pm

miltiades wrote:I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.


Recognition of the "trnc" is not a Turkish objective.

(sorry for any errors - posting from IPhone and am having finger trouble)
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.


Recognition of the "trnc" is not a Turkish objective.


(sorry for any errors - posting from IPhone and am having finger trouble)


WHAT !!!!
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Postby DT. » Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:16 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hugely prodigious pronouncement by the Royal Courts of Justice on the 19th of January will induce a precondition to the Turkish policy on Cyprus in that she can longer ignore the EU and all member states that consider the RoC as the only sovereign power for the whole of Cyprus , and accordingly intransigent and unfair demands will be re examined.
Such will be the effect of this momentous outcome that real progress can now become a priority for Turkey having realized that the recognition of the "trnc" will never take place . The RoC TOO OUGHT TO INTENSIFY EFFORTS TO DISCARD ACTS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROCESS OF UNITING OUR PEOPLE.


Recognition of the "trnc" is not a Turkish objective.


(sorry for any errors - posting from IPhone and am having finger trouble)


WHAT !!!!


He's right, would lead to too many negative reactions in the region such as a Greek Cypriot state being declared in the south with full bases rights given to Greece, a new constitution and a destruction of the british bases due to the new constitution.
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