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[Tim Drayton]

I can’t help wondering why the 1975 Population Exchange Agreement made provision for the movement of people without giving any consideration whatsoever as to whether they would retain their rights over the property which they would vacate. Is this not the root source of the current dispute over property rights?

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... pexch.html

Population Exchange Agreement

Signed on August 2, 1975.

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the south of the island will be allowed, if they want to do so, to proceed north with their belongings under an organised programme and with the assistance of the United Nations Peace keeping force in Cyprus.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the north of the island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the north.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the north who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the south, will be permitted to do so.
4. The United Nations will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and habitations in the north.
5. In connection with the implementations of the above agreement, priority will be given to the reunification of families, which may also involve the transfer of a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the south, to the north.

[Pyrpolizer]

Come on Tim, I wouldn't expect you to fall into such a propaganda trap. The 3rd Vienna Agreement was never titled "population exchange agreement" and certainly had nothing to do with any sort of "population exchange".

It was a humanitarian agreement because thousands of families of TCs got separated in 1974, the males (so called fighters) stranded in north, females children and elderly at the south. Traitor Clerides signed it, because he always wanted partition and double Enosis. He could of have signed an agreement for the return of males rather than this.
The 2nd aspect of the 3rd vienna agreement was to secure the GC enclaved persons in Karpasia.

The first part was implemented. AS for the 2nd part the Turks slowly slowly expelled almost everyone from Karpasia.

[Pyrpolizer]

The Third Vienna Agreement - August 1975

Communique issued after the third phase of the intercommunal talks in Vienna

The third round of talks on Cyprus was held in Vienna from 31 July to 2 August 1975.

Preliminary discussions were held on the powers and functions of a federal government on the basis of the original Greek Cypriot proposals submitted at the first round, the Turkish Cypriot paper of the 21st of July and the more comprehensive paper presented by Mr. Clerides at this meeting. Further examination of this subject will continue in Nicosia with a view to a final discussion, together with the other aspects relating to the solution of the Cyprus problem, at the next round of talks. Mr. Denktash expressed his views on the comprehensive paper submitted by Mr. Clerides and also on his own proposals for a transitional joint government submitted by him on 18 July. Mr. Clerides referred to his previous position in this regard.

A discussion of the geographical aspects of a future settlement of the Cyprus problem took place. It was agreed that Mr. Clerides and Mr. Denktash would have further private talks on this subject prior to the fourth round of the Cyprus talks with a view to preparing the discussion of this matter which will take place at that time.

In addition the following was agreed:

1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North.

The question of displaced persons was also re-examined.

Although both sides again affirmed that they were not knowingly holding undeclared prisoners-of-war or other detainees, it was agreed mutually to extend full facilities for searches in response to information given by either side.

Both sides declared that the Nicosia International Airport, which has been repaired by the United Nations under the agreement reached at the first round, can be used, as a first step, by the United Nations for its needs.

The fourth round of talks will take place, due to the Secretary General’s commitments in regard to the General Assembly, at United Nations headquarters in New York on 8 and 9 September 1975.

2 August, 1975

[YFred]

Come on Tim, I wouldn't expect you to fall into such a propaganda trap. The 3rd Vienna Agreement was never titled "population exchange agreement" and certainly had nothing to do with any sort of "population exchange".

It was a humanitarian agreement because thousands of families of TCs got separated in 1974, the males (so called fighters) stranded in north, females children and elderly at the south. Traitor Clerides signed it, because he always wanted partition and double Enosis. He could of have signed an agreement for the return of males rather than this.
The 2nd aspect of the 3rd vienna agreement was to secure the GC enclaved persons in Karpasia.

The first part was implemented. AS for the 2nd part the Turks slowly slowly expelled almost everyone from Karpasia.

As much as I would agree with you, I really do think you should give a little bit more thought to the role of the roc and the stretching of the negotiations to last 35 years and still counting. To find a solution one must look into ones self first before apportioning blame on anybody else.

[Pyrpolizer]

I appointed blame to our traitor Klerides my friend who was always after double Enosis in collaboration with his dear friend Denktash. Klerides is the one who brought so many catastrophies behind our back, including the 3rd Vienna Agreement, and the Anan Plan. Do you know that when he created his party, he is the one who HOUSED the Eoka Bs? Do you know we had 2 EOKA B ministers in the past?

NB. Double Enosis=Split Cyprus in 2 , the northern part to have Enosis with Turkey, the Southern part to have Enosis with Greece.

[Tim Drayton]

Come on Tim, I wouldn't expect you to fall into such a propaganda trap. The 3rd Vienna Agreement was never titled "population exchange agreement" and certainly had nothing to do with any sort of "population exchange".

It was a humanitarian agreement because thousands of families of TCs got separated in 1974, the males (so called fighters) stranded in north, females children and elderly at the south. Traitor Clerides signed it, because he always wanted partition and double Enosis. He could of have signed an agreement for the return of males rather than this.
The 2nd aspect of the 3rd vienna agreement was to secure the GC enclaved persons in Karpasia.

The first part was implemented. AS for the 2nd part the Turks slowly slowly expelled almost everyone from Karpasia.

Sorry about that, but I wasn't really focussing on the title of the document so much as its contents and my point stands. I realise that it is little more than a post facto justification for the ethnic cleansing that had already been conducted. Even so, surely if specific provision had been made that either "those who chose to move will retain their rights over their property" or "those who chose to move will relinquish such rights", then the dispute we are currently witnessing over property would not be taking place.

[Pyrpolizer]

Come on Tim, I wouldn't expect you to fall into such a propaganda trap. The 3rd Vienna Agreement was never titled "population exchange agreement" and certainly had nothing to do with any sort of "population exchange".

It was a humanitarian agreement because thousands of families of TCs got separated in 1974, the males (so called fighters) stranded in north, females children and elderly at the south. Traitor Clerides signed it, because he always wanted partition and double Enosis. He could of have signed an agreement for the return of males rather than this.
The 2nd aspect of the 3rd vienna agreement was to secure the GC enclaved persons in Karpasia.

The first part was implemented. AS for the 2nd part the Turks slowly slowly expelled almost everyone from Karpasia.

Sorry about that, but I wasn't really focussing on the title of the document so much as its contents and my point stands. I realise that it is little more than a post facto justification for the ethnic cleansing that had already been conducted. Even so, surely if specific provision had been made that either "those who chose to move will retain their rights over their property" or "those who chose to move will relinquish such rights", then the dispute we are currently witnessing over property would not be taking place.

Correct. However we are talking for the period of only 12 months after the 1974 invasion, they thought they would come to an agreement soon (including the property issue).
But what would you expect my friend from Politicians? Most of the times the decisions they make are not wiser than those of the average man in the streets.
Even the fact that the property issue today is at the position it is, is purely accidental. Nobody ever thought or knew that getting displaced does not also mean losing your property rights. In fact I see so many posts in here saying the TCs lost their properties when they were displaced in 1963. Just 2 days ago ExpatKiwi asked me what was the percentage of TC properties before 1963!!!

[Viewpoint]

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.

So when you re-evaluate the situation you can see the GCs vacated of their own freewill and even had the opportunity to return which they choose not to do this puts a whole new perspective on the situation.

[YFred]

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.

So when you re-evaluate the situation you can see the GCs vacated of their own freewill and even had the opportunity to return which they choose not to do this puts a whole new perspective on the situation.

But I though they were making claims that they were enthickly cleaned, did I get that wrong? Where is Pyro when you need him?

[B25]

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.

So when you re-evaluate the situation you can see the GCs vacated of their own freewill and even had the opportunity to return which they choose not to do this puts a whole new perspective on the situation.

What was signed and promised was not carried out. The GCs enclaves were forced to leave due to ill treatment, my family were part of that.

Please don't keep playing the smart guy YFred, you politicians let you down time after time.