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[Pyrpolizer]

Ama ha!

[YFred]

Ama ha!

Enna bovgalis

[CopperLine]

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.

So when you re-evaluate the situation you can see the GCs vacated of their own freewill and even had the opportunity to return which they choose not to do this puts a whole new perspective on the situation.

But I though they were making claims that they were enthickly cleaned, did I get that wrong? Where is Pyro when you need him?

All a myth YFred, they are experts at twisting facts.

By August 2, 1975 the ethnic cleansing had taken place. This agreement attempts, post facto, to legitimise an event that had no voluntary basis.

Tim Drayton bear in mind that the above highlighted is also a description of the sub-treaty of Lausanne agreed in January 1923 (main agreement signed in June 1923). By far the majority of those "exchanged" had already been moved by even November 1922. The term 'exchange' in the title of the agreement implies some voluntary and prior agreed swap, but little could be further from the truth. At the time both Venizelos and Mustafa Kemal strongly supported the population transfer, irrespective of the trauma actually visited on the respective populations.

[Kifeas]

2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.

So when you re-evaluate the situation you can see the GCs vacated of their own freewill and even had the opportunity to return which they choose not to do this puts a whole new perspective on the situation.

But I though they were making claims that they were enthickly cleaned, did I get that wrong? Where is Pyro when you need him?

All a myth YFred, they are experts at twisting facts.

By August 2, 1975 the ethnic cleansing had taken place. This agreement attempts, post facto, to legitimise an event that had no voluntary basis.

Tim Drayton bear in mind that the above highlighted is also a description of the sub-treaty of Lausanne agreed in January 1923 (main agreement signed in June 1923). By far the majority of those "exchanged" had already been moved by even November 1922. The term 'exchange' in the title of the agreement implies some voluntary and prior agreed swap, but little could be further from the truth. At the time both Venizelos and Mustafa Kemal strongly supported the population transfer, irrespective of the trauma actually visited on the respective populations.

What is it that you are trying to insinuate again Copper? That we should draw parallels from the treaty of Lausanne, and give in to the Turkish "thesis" that the 1975 3rd Vienna agreement was also a population exchange one, when in fact such a ridiculous claim /argument has already been thrown out by the ECtHR as false? Is this what you are attempting again to suggest? I am only asking Copper!

[CopperLine]

Kifeas, I'm not trying to insinuate anything. I'm just noting a historical comparison already raised by Tim Drayton.

Had I wanted to comment on the 1975 Cyprus question I would have done so. I didn't so I didn't.

[Viewpoint]

So seeing that 20.000 did remain and were not killed, it is a myth that GC were forced out they could have remained in their homes and not run off deserting them.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ama ha!

Enna bovgalis

Ebovgala, hade kanei.

[boulio]

The treaty of lausaune was a popultation exchange between greece and turkey however the property issue concerning greeks of turkey and turks of greece was solved with a seperate agreement in 1930 called THE Ankara protocol SIGHNED between Venizelos and Kemal ataturk that dealt with the properites of the refugees.

http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/14/en/1923_19 ... ns/06.html

[Pyrpolizer]

So seeing that 20.000 did remain and were not killed, it is a myth that GC were forced out they could have remained in their homes and not run off deserting them.

20,000 were the ones who stayed alive. The majority of raped women are from those villages.

In ayia Triada for example there was a TC pointing to he Turkish Army the richest people of the village. They were all shoot dead.
Can you possibly tell me the reason why they chose the richest?

[Viewpoint]

So seeing that 20.000 did remain and were not killed, it is a myth that GC were forced out they could have remained in their homes and not run off deserting them.

20,000 were the ones who stayed alive. The majority of raped women are from those villages.

So they wer enot killed only shows that GCs could have remained, the eoka probably scared you so that you would leave you homes and run south then you cry you were forced out.