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[Oracle]

This thread is so funny ....

How can you sell something when it's just been proven you don't own it?

[Get Real!]

TCs have been prevented from access to and recovery of their former properties.

We hear a lot of talk but no evidence presented... let's have it.

One further product of the A v O case may be, ironically, that it eases the claims by TCs in the RoC.

I think that's nonsense because the two are totally different cases. A GC faces an uncooperative ILLEGAL military invader (Human Rights issue), whereas the TC faces a LEGAL Turkish Cypriot properties Management Service and/or Obligatory Expropriation law. (Internal civil matter)

But posters should also realise that whilst the A v O case opens a new and effective avenue of remedy, it does not necessarily open the flood gates.

The Kantounas success path, minus any errors he made along the way, will now be copied by many legal reps offering a swift, less costly, and effective solution to refugees.

...arrests are highly, highly unlikely because what we're talking about are civil actions, not criminal actions.

Civil actions can quickly turn into criminal ones once the accused is served with a summons but fails to appear in court.

[paliometoxo]

This thread is so funny ....

How can you sell something when it's just been proven you don't own it?

the turk logic is if you can take it from them it does not matter who owns it that means its your fault for being weak enough to have it taken.

[Nikitas]

"pre 1974 TURKISH Title"

There is NO SUCH THING, it is a valid Republic of Cyprus title, and that is why it is safe.

[Nikitas]

It still amazes me that some people do not grasp a simple concept- occupation does not alter the nature eof the property rights. It is that simple.

No matter what bits of paper are issued there can be no legal deletion of the original title as it was in 1974. Cyprus was a member of the Council of Europe and signatory to the Convention of Human Rights, as were Turkey, Britain and Greece. The title stays till the owner says otherwise, the owner and no one else, and especially not Eroglu and his notions of "new realities".

Trying to build a country on theft is not as easy in the 21st century as it was in the 16th.

[Hermes]

I don't think we will be short of money to finance legal actions. The Church of Cyprus, for example, is a major landowner in the north and not exactly short of a few euros. Also, it only takes one targeted case to set a precedent and to deter future investors.

The threat of seizing assets is more effective than arrests. It was never Mr. Apostolides' aim to jail the Orams, but to establish his right over his property. The key point I think in all this is that the Orams' case re-affirms the legal authority of the ROC over the occupied territory and allows it to exercise its authority in Europe. An important outcome as far as I can see...

Use it if you have the balls.

What a bizarre thing to say! Are you drunk? I'm amazed after what happened this week you can doubt it. You think Greek Cypriots won't go to court to defend their rights? Where on earth did you get that impression? Have you been living on Mars lately?

[Viewpoint]

I don't think we will be short of money to finance legal actions. The Church of Cyprus, for example, is a major landowner in the north and not exactly short of a few euros. Also, it only takes one targeted case to set a precedent and to deter future investors.

The threat of seizing assets is more effective than arrests. It was never Mr. Apostolides' aim to jail the Orams, but to establish his right over his property. The key point I think in all this is that the Orams' case re-affirms the legal authority of the ROC over the occupied territory and allows it to exercise its authority in Europe. An important outcome as far as I can see...

Use it if you have the balls.

What a bizarre thing to say! Are you drunk? I'm amazed after what happened this week you can doubt it. You think Greek Cypriots won't go to court to defend their rights? Where on earth did you get that impression? Have you been living on Mars lately?

Its one thing getting a piece of paper the real issue is carrying out some conrete action, arrest them or demolish the house....let see if you have the balls.

[Get Real!]

Its one thing getting a piece of paper the real issue is carrying out some conrete action, arrest them or demolish the house....let see if you have the balls.

The RoC can always tie any EU grants heading in your direction with full compliance of EU court decisions. Money talks…

[Viewpoint]

Its one thing getting a piece of paper the real issue is carrying out some conrete action, arrest them or demolish the house....let see if you have the balls.

The RoC can always tie any EU grants heading in your direction with full compliance of EU court decisions. Money talks…

Go ahead and do it, you people are all talk no action.

[Oracle]

Statements by the Foreign Minister on the Orams case
21/01/2010

The Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr Markos Kyprianou, invited by the press to say how the Ministry of Foreign Affairs intends to utilize the British Court of Appeal decision in the case Apostolides v Orams, stated the following:

“The implementation and the execution of the decision is now a legal obligation and we will be following the developments closely. Of course, of exceptional importance to us are the broader consequences and the wider significance of this decision in conjunction with the important Judgement of the European Court, which was in essence adopted by the British Court as well. This decision points out certain legal facts that are very important.

First of all, it is applicable throughout Europe and it applies to all European citizens. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will become active - we have already been active since the decision of the European Court but now we will become more active, so that the significance of the decision, the illegality of purchasing immovable property and the existing risks for the buyers in illegally purchasing occupied property can be made known to all European citizens. Consequently it is a decision that binds all the member states and the citizens of the European Union and can be executed in the countries where they live.

Secondly, which is also very important, the combination of the European and British decision reaffirms that - irrespective of the occupation and the practical weakness of the state to exercise control on the occupied areas - the Laws and the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus still apply. This is a message that must be sent, not only to the citizens, the private buyers, but also to the governments of all foreign states, especially the European ones, and all those carrying out business in the occupied areas; the reminder that anything they do must be done with respect for the Laws of the Republic of Cyprus, and of course this also applies for the European Commission which, through various regulations that have been adopted to strengthen the Turkish Cypriot community, is active in the occupied areas.
Thirdly, and this concerns of course the talks in Cyprus, the legitimacy of the positions presented by our side is reaffirmed concerning, not only who the legitimate owners of occupied properties are, but also who should have a say in the management and the fate of this right, who is of course the owner.

So, I totally disagree with the approach of the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I do not believe that this decision will complicate the talks. On the contrary, it reaffirms the legitimacy of our proposals and I believe that this should be accepted also by the other side”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... endocument