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Apostolides v Orams Judgment Day ?

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Postby Acikgoz » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:32 pm

Do we see the same judgement for Apostolides?
Why take 6 months out of anyone's life to live in a place just to get their rights?
Sounds like a barrier to justice, particularly for those with responsibilities and jobs in the North or UK, or Australia etc. and what confidence the property will be released?

How about you take a gamble and place down as your wager a loss of 6 months pay, spend 6 months rent and board to live around people that deny you your rights, for the chance, not the guarantee that you will be able to get your property back?!

That is known as a barrier to justice.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:34 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Do we see the same judgement for Apostolides?
Why take 6 months out of anyone's life to live in a place just to get their rights?
Sounds like a barrier to justice, particularly for those with responsibilities and jobs in the North or UK, or Australia etc. and what confidence the property will be released?

How about you take a gamble and place down as your wager a loss of 6 months pay, spend 6 months rent and board to live around people that deny you your rights, for the chance, not the guarantee that you will be able to get your property back?!

That is known as a barrier to justice.


The six months is a safeguard against impostors. You don't want the RoC to give out your property to any desperado claiming to be you, now do you?
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:GR - It's like you don't listen. Why cannot I simply say, here are my title deeds, get off my land and pay me restitution. If you want to celebrate and believe that you are fair and just people then give TCs the same rights to their properties as the Court of Appeal has just given.

Stop sending me to a corrupt system that does not allow me access to my property without jumping through hoops and only if it suits them.

Bill just said it, for my rights I effectively have to go to RoC then ECHR. What does this tell you. The GCs don't themselves uphold the laws they sought from the UK Court of Appeals.

That's something to be ashamed about, not celebrating.

All you have to do is reside in the unoccupied area of the Republic for six months while your application is being processed, so what’s your problem?

Is there an Emoticon for "unintentional irony"?
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:39 pm

Oracle wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:Do we see the same judgement for Apostolides?
Why take 6 months out of anyone's life to live in a place just to get their rights?
Sounds like a barrier to justice, particularly for those with responsibilities and jobs in the North or UK, or Australia etc. and what confidence the property will be released?

How about you take a gamble and place down as your wager a loss of 6 months pay, spend 6 months rent and board to live around people that deny you your rights, for the chance, not the guarantee that you will be able to get your property back?!

That is known as a barrier to justice.


The six months is a safeguard against impostors. You don't want the RoC to give out your property to any desperado claiming to be you, now do you?

If I might ask, how does living somewhere prove one is an imposter or not? That is, unless you were being facetious...
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:The Court victory was not over our T/C compatriots , it was a victory for justice and it should be celebrated as such.
The British cheapskates have received a very clear message .
If any one still doubts the benefits of Cyprus's European membership then the clearly they don't know what they are talking about .
I'm pleased that I was able to attend and also meet Gerry and Bill as well as Mr and Mrs Apostolides and Mr Kandounas.
Remember folks , this is NOT a victory against out compatriots the T/Cs , it is however a massive defeat of the CHEAPSKATES and those acting illegally.

No surprises for me at today’s judgment, and certainly no surprises at your appearance in court! Didn’t I say you’ll go looking like John Steed? Image

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Hi GR. The Orams case is finally over - one hopes. It was this case that brought us pen-to-pen (face to face) four years ago on the other forum.
You won my friend.

I believe justice has won. What this will mean to the average TC in the north god only knows. I hope we can all learn our lesson and pay more respect to justice, law and order.

Congratulations to ALL Cypriots...................Now what? :?
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:43 pm

Who the hell is that guy up there? :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:43 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:I welcome your attempt to garnishee my pensions, if you can prove that I live in your property, that is. If you want to come to Malatya to see if I am, let me know first, and I'll have a couple of nice Turkish soldiers show you around the TRNC on your way out.

You're already on file Mr Swimming Pools! You were an easy one... :lol:

Any time bubble, any time. :wink:
Just remember - getting into the TRNC is easy, it's getting out again that's the tricky bit. :twisted:

Don’t worry, a European arrest warrant can quickly get you out… :wink: because you can run but you can’t hide!
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:The Court victory was not over our T/C compatriots , it was a victory for justice and it should be celebrated as such.
The British cheapskates have received a very clear message .
If any one still doubts the benefits of Cyprus's European membership then the clearly they don't know what they are talking about .
I'm pleased that I was able to attend and also meet Gerry and Bill as well as Mr and Mrs Apostolides and Mr Kandounas.
Remember folks , this is NOT a victory against out compatriots the T/Cs , it is however a massive defeat of the CHEAPSKATES and those acting illegally.

No surprises for me at today’s judgment, and certainly no surprises at your appearance in court! Didn’t I say you’ll go looking like John Steed? Image

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And I agreed that you were not far off !!
The T/C as well as Turkish media who interviewed my self and Gerry were presented , I felt with two Cypriot gentlemen expressing their views of the outcome to this monumental case for justice and for the entire island of Cyprus.Our interviews will be seen in Turkey as well as in the north of Cyprus. Our contribution was one of measured satisfaction at the outcome , emphasizing that this is not a victory over our T/C compatriots but a victory of fairness and justice.
Our responses were neither provocative nor impolite , and with Gerry stepping on my...foot I restrained by self by not referring to the Orams as a couple of Plonkers !!
A great day for justice , a great day for Cyprus .
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:45 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:Do we see the same judgement for Apostolides?
Why take 6 months out of anyone's life to live in a place just to get their rights?
Sounds like a barrier to justice, particularly for those with responsibilities and jobs in the North or UK, or Australia etc. and what confidence the property will be released?

How about you take a gamble and place down as your wager a loss of 6 months pay, spend 6 months rent and board to live around people that deny you your rights, for the chance, not the guarantee that you will be able to get your property back?!

That is known as a barrier to justice.


The six months is a safeguard against impostors. You don't want the RoC to give out your property to any desperado claiming to be you, now do you?

If I might ask, how does living somewhere prove one is an imposter or not? That is, unless you were being facetious...


I can see why you are in the mess you are in.

Do you expect the RoC to just hand the property over to anyone who asks for it then? :roll: ... No checks on paperwork, records, past deaths and inheritors and their wills?

Six months is a pretty standard conveyancing time considering how many checks have to be made and the implications from getting it wrong.
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Postby Acikgoz » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:48 pm

Oh Oracle, so hanging out in RoC will really make a person's legitimate claim to a property valid!
What do they do that no other country on the world has conceived of as a check of personal i.d. Is it a genetic test that lasts 6 months. COME ON.

I beg you, please look at what you are saying. I emplore you. See how naive you sound for expecting it to be a valid reason.

Nonsensical, idiotic practices that are not consistent when considering their application dependant on whether you are TC or GC - if I am to be kind and give GCs the benefit of the doubt. Malicious bigoted double standards, by racists out to grab all they can on the island - if I am to be fair to the posts I observe on this site.

Those are some of the problems if you really wanted to know.
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