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[Tim Drayton]

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):

Araziyi Linda v......

Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.

Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.

Could a TC inform us who was in power when that law changed in the 90's? I heard it was the CTP who changed it, the party of Talat. Am i right?

Well, if you refer to the text of the law as it currently stands at the official website

http://www.mahkemeler.net/birlestirilmis/41-1977.doc

you will see that the law known as the “İSKAN, TOPRAKLANDIRMA VE EŞDEĞER MAL YASASI” (Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property Law) was passed on 16 August 1977, and has since been amended by the following laws: 5/1981; 27/1982; 23/1985; 3/1988; 12/1989; 44/1990; 24/1991; 53/1991; 17/1992, 6/1994; 52/1995 ve 39/1998. The figure to the right of the slash shows the year of the law, so the last amendment appears to predate the coming to power of the CTP.

I know that the original law used the term ‘tahsis’ (allocation, assignment) and was simply about allocating places to live to refugees. There was originally no mention of granting ownership or issuing title deeds. This came with one of the later amendments, and it would take some time to work out which one. I am sure somebody out there knows when false title deeds were first issued for these properties.

Glancing at the text of the law, I see that it applies to all property which is 'abandoned by foreigners' (Greek Cypriots are defined as being 'foreigners' for the purpose of the law). I wonder how long a property has to stand empty before it is deemed to have been abandoned? Could a foreigner who buys property in the north of Cyprus and goes away for a couple of years return to find that it has been allocated to somebody else under the ITEM law?

[vaughanwilliams]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... -case.html

I know Zaman is a TR paper, but before we all get carried away, perhaps the score now stands at Sofi 1 - Apostolides 1?
Took a lot less time and didn't have to leave Cyprus for the decision.
I think this case is as, if not more, relevant than Orams.

[Tim Drayton]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-199319-100-turkish-cypriot-winner-in-property-case.html

I know Zaman is a TR paper, but before we all get carried away, perhaps the score now stands at Sofi 1 - Apostolides 1?
Took a lot less time and didn't have to leave Cyprus for the decision.
I think this case is as, if not more, relevant than Orams.

I for one want everybody to get back what is rightfully theirs. Anybody disagree?

[YFred]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-199319-100-turkish-cypriot-winner-in-property-case.html

I know Zaman is a TR paper, but before we all get carried away, perhaps the score now stands at Sofi 1 - Apostolides 1?
Took a lot less time and didn't have to leave Cyprus for the decision.
I think this case is as, if not more, relevant than Orams.

About time the eu takes some action about the real culprits of the Cyprus problem. Long overdue in my opinion.
I would love to say "What have I been saying", but my lovely gc friends will accuse me of winging. But I will not. It was not fair was it chaps? What?
It looks as though I will get my land back from the thieving greeks without having to spend a fortune and wasting decades after all.
Party at Yfred zivania palace and all the zivania you can drink.

[Tim Drayton]

It was apparently the 1995 amendment to the ITEM law, enacted under a DP-CTP coalition government, that opened the way for title deeds to be issued for Greek Cypriot property, so you are partly correct, Pyrpolizer.

[CBBB]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-199319-100-turkish-cypriot-winner-in-property-case.html

I know Zaman is a TR paper, but before we all get carried away, perhaps the score now stands at Sofi 1 - Apostolides 1?
Took a lot less time and didn't have to leave Cyprus for the decision.
I think this case is as, if not more, relevant than Orams.

About time the eu takes some action about the real culprits of the Cyprus problem. Long overdue in my opinion.
I would love to say "What have I been saying", but my lovely gc friends will accuse me of winging. But I will not. It was not fair was it chaps? What?
It looks as though I will get my land back from the thieving greeks without having to spend a fortune and wasting decades after all.
Party at Yfred zivania palace and all the zivania you can drink.

If you could read properly you would see the EU took no action, the RoC Government agreed to change its regulations.

Now it is Turkey's turn!

[DT.]

Everyone should get back whats rightfully theirs. I'd like as many TC's and GC's as possible to be encouraged into claiming their lands now.

[CBBB]

Everyone should get back whats rightfully theirs. I'd like as many TC's and GC's as possible to be encouraged into claiming their lands now.

Who does my wife sue as her land is in between, the UN?

[Malapapa]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-199319-100-turkish-cypriot-winner-in-property-case.html

I know Zaman is a TR paper, but before we all get carried away, perhaps the score now stands at Sofi 1 - Apostolides 1?
Took a lot less time and didn't have to leave Cyprus for the decision.
I think this case is as, if not more, relevant than Orams.

No. It's human rights 2, human rights violations 0. And humans should rejoice when human rights are secured.

[Pyrpolizer]

It was apparently the 1995 amendment to the ITEM law, enacted under a DP-CTP coalition government, that opened the way for title deeds to be issued for Greek Cypriot property, so you are partly correct, Pyrpolizer.

Thank you very much for your search dear Tim. You are a valuable contributor to this forum.

Now that I scratched my memory you are right it was a coalition, I seem to have memory problems lately, i don't even remember where i put them on my pc

About the "abandoned" term (again from memory-I could be wrong) refers to the original law that defined as "abandoned" those before February 1975. Now why February 1975 I have no idea.