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[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):

Araziyi Linda v......

Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.

Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.

Could a TC inform us who was in power when that law changed in the 90's? I heard it was the CTP who changed it, the party of Talat. Am i right?

[Malapapa]

I am sure he will find a tc to translate for him. I can recommended my cousin, he is a good lawyer.

YFred, if your cousin really is a good lawyer, will you get him to explain to you the implications of the Orams ruling? In simple terms, so you can understand, old chap.

There are some things in life that have to be done, to arrive at a final and definitive and everlasting final.

Yes. Don't waste any more time. Sit your lawyer cousin down and get him to explain the High Court ruling to you. Let me know how you get on.

[YFred]

No, I never said that, but in all seriousness, why do you want people to read your manifesto and comment on it, when there is the agreement being negotiated as we speak. Is there really anything to talk about other than what's on the table as it were?

Post Orams, any agreement that risks the right of displaced Cypriots to their properties won't have a Brit carpetbagger's chance in hell of being accepted. Cypriots have tasted real justice and it's delicious.

There really isn't anything to talk about until Talat & Co. acknowledges this.

You are deluding yourselves. You are now back to square one again. There is no time left. You carry on with your court cases and when you are finished with the Brits, then start formulating how to attack the TCs.
There is only one way to solve this problem and it is not via courts. If it was, why are the UN wasting so much time and effort trying to get an agreement.
Christ, and you call yourselves christian?

[Malapapa]

You are deluding yourselves. You are now back to square one again. There is no time left. You carry on with your court cases and when you are finished with the Brits, then start formulating how to attack the TCs.

You just don't get it, do you? Just speak to your lawyer cousin. Maybe he can draw you some pictures.

There is only one way to solve this problem and it is not via courts. If it was, why are the UN wasting so much time and effort trying to get an agreement.

The UN's role is to ensure there are no retaliatory attacks as the pursuit of justice against violent, increasingly desperate gangsters gathers momentum.

Christ, and you call yourselves christian?

What are you talking about?

[YFred]

You are deluding yourselves. You are now back to square one again. There is no time left. You carry on with your court cases and when you are finished with the Brits, then start formulating how to attack the TCs.

You just don't get it, do you? Just speak to your lawyer cousin. Maybe he can draw you some pictures.

There is only one way to solve this problem and it is not via courts. If it was, why are the UN wasting so much time and effort trying to get an agreement.

The UN's role is to ensure there are no retaliatory attacks as the pursuit of justice against violent, increasingly desperate gangsters gathers momentum.

Christ, and you call yourselves christian?

What are you talking about?

Is Mr Moon aware of his relegation to such a role? or are you leaving it as a surprise when he arrives?
A joke loses its meaning when you have to explain it.
Christ, I changed my mind, I will not repeat it for obvious reasons.
BTW if Mr Shistunas has the protection of the UN, what has he got to fear going to the north?

[Malapapa]

Is Mr Moon aware of his relegation to such a role?

Probably, he knows how international law works.

or are you leaving it as a surprise when he arrives?

Hardly a surprise. I'm sure he will have been appropriately briefed.

[Gasman]

I can see Turkey getting pretty pissed off with the Brits at this rate!

[EricSeans]

To all Greek Cypriots:

36 years of on/off talks,where has it taken you or us?

NOWHERE.

Doesnt that tell you something?

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Didnt think so either!

We,Turkish Cypriots know your game,and it has never changed.
So,could you please stop BULLSHITTING,not to us or others but to YOURSELVES.

I remember the days,where in Luricina not one of my family member,they were so brain washed ,could speak a word in turkish.I suppose,you are going to try to convince me that Turks(we) did that!!

But,since so many of you Greeks claim to be eduqated,

how about GLOBAL EXCHANGE!!!

NOOOO! Well me neither.

Face the facts BOYS,you had a plan to wipe us out,it didnt work,you lost.

It is now time to be a MAN and except it.


Have a nice evening.

LLHA

What a Plonker !

He's an off the scale plonker, Milti.

[Mikiko]

Its so interesting its amazing how the discussion develops ......

[repulsewarrior]

cheers!

...please read my manifesto.

Yes to be honest, i cant take my eyes off your manifesto...
it is so true...

i sense sarcasm

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

...your comments please.

Are you shocked that someone actually read it?

...your comments please, analytically, would be appreciated.

by the way YF, no i am not shocked, but so few have actually made an attempt at giving it some due consideration, beside the PM's i got from turcophones and grecophones afraid to make their comments public.

but, oh yes, i forget, (if i'm not wrong) you like things just the way they are...

No, I never said that, but in all seriousness, why do you want people to read your manifesto and comment on it, when there is the agreement being negotiated as we speak. Is there really anything to talk about other than what's on the table as it were?

frankly, it would not surprise me if in the future, we will note many points of similarity (from my manifesto) to what is, as you say, being negociated.

for one thing, there will exist three governing bodies, not two...

for another, the island will not be left as a 'fait accompli', split in two, rather, the rights of the displaced, turcophone and grecophone will be respected so that at least some of them can return as communities, as persons, rather than individuals.

until we come to realise that bicommunal means an identity as Individuals and Persons, fanatics on both sides will succeed in making the issue one of "Greeks" and "Turks".

this, i am sure does not escape the thinking of our representatives in the negociating process, as it did not escape Denktash and Makarios in their agreement.