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Apostolides v Orams Judgment Day ?

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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:27 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:36 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.


Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:38 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda ve David Orams’a satan komisyoncu belki de arazinin Türk malı olduğunu söylemiştir. Bilemem!.. O zaman komisyonu yapan eski bir emlakçıydı. Şu anda adada değil

For all I know, the agent who sold the plot to Linda and David Orams said that it was Turkish property. The agent at the time was an old estate agent. He is not on the island now.

Kıbrıs’ta mülkiyet sorunu ile ilgili herşey İskan, Topraklandırma ve Eşdeğer Mal Yasası (İTEM) ile başladı. İTEM Yasası’nı çıkarttılar esas problem başladı. Herkesin malını herkese sattılar

Everything to do with the property problem in Cyprus started with the ITEM law. They introduced the ITEM law [concerning exchange property] and the basic problem started. They sold one person’s property to another person.

İTEM Yasası’na zamanında kim imza attıysa en büyük suçlu onlar. Hesap sorulacaksa İTEM Yasası’nı hazırlayanlardan sorulmalı

Whoever signed the ITEM law at the time bears most of the blame. If anybody is to be held to account, then it should be those who drew up the ITEM law.

Müzakerlerin olumlu sonuçlanacağı ile ilgili pek umutlu değilim. Ama her şeye rağmen müzakerelerin sürdüğü bir ortamda İngiliz İstinaf Mahkemesi böyle bir karar vermemeliydi. Unutulmamalıdır ki zamanında İngiliz Hükümeti bu insanların Kuzey Kıbrıs’ta ev almaması içi hiçbirşey yapmadı

I am not hopeful that the negotiations will produce a positive result. But, in spite of everything, the English High Court should not have handed down such a decision in an environment in which negotiations are being conducted. It must not be forgotten that the British government did nothing at the time to stop these people from buying houses in North Cyprus.

Bu ülke işgal altındadır. İşgal altında olan bir ülkede olacak olan budur

This country is under occupation. This is the kind of thing that happens in a country under occupation.



Absolutely Pyr, but fear this thread is getting far too long and cumbersome, to find anything.

Reh Tim, perhaps start a new thread with this important news???
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.


Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


Sherlock Holmes does it again.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.


Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


She still does, I will state again for the record I do not have any disputed land nor did I apply for any. There are many TCs like myself.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.


Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


She still does, I will state again for the record I do not have any disputed land nor did I apply for any. There are many TCs like myself.


Ah. But have you ever been involved in the sale of such properties as an agent, or as an employee of an agent?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:46 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Reh Tim, perhaps start a new thread with this important news???


Reh Bill, I just thought it was of passing interest, really.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:52 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):


Araziyi Linda v......



Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.


Thanks.

"ITEM" is the Turkish acronym meaning roughly the "Settlement, Land Allocation and Exchange Property" law. The original "ITEM" law simply assigned vacated Greek Cypriot property for the use of refugees pending a settlement, without granting ownership. The law has been revised quite a few times and some time in the 1990's the disastrous amendment was made which resulted in the issuing of so-called title deeds to the occupants of these properties.


Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


She still does, I will state again for the record I do not have any disputed land nor did I apply for any. There are many TCs like myself.


Ah. But have you ever been involved in the sale of such properties as an agent, or as an employee of an agent?


No but I know a few people who own or work in the property business, does that make me guilty as well, can you sue?
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:53 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:
Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


She still does, I will state again for the record I do not have any disputed land nor did I apply for any. There are many TCs like myself.


Ah. But have you ever been involved in the sale of such properties as an agent, or as an employee of an agent?


Tim, it's clear VP's a land and property gangster. Why do you think he's getting so uppity after the Orams ruling?
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:56 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Just about when VP came to Cyprus in 1993. Is there any more doubt as to why VP makes his first trip to Cyprus to stay for good around the time this "ITEM" law was passed. His mother did have 100 Dönüms of land in the south, afterall.! :wink:


She still does, I will state again for the record I do not have any disputed land nor did I apply for any. There are many TCs like myself.


Ah. But have you ever been involved in the sale of such properties as an agent, or as an employee of an agent?


Tim, it's clear VP's a land and property gangster. Why do you think he's getting so uppity after the Orams ruling?


The thing is, as a bloke who clearly has no scruples whatsoever, he could quite profitably now switch sides and, knowing as he does so many British property owners, charge exorbitant fees to go round serving writs on them all!
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