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[Tim Drayton]

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):

Araziyi Linda ve David Orams’a satan komisyoncu belki de arazinin Türk malı olduğunu söylemiştir. Bilemem!.. O zaman komisyonu yapan eski bir emlakçıydı. Şu anda adada değil

For all I know, the agent who sold the plot to Linda and David Orams said that it was Turkish property. The agent at the time was an old estate agent. He is not on the island now.

Kıbrıs’ta mülkiyet sorunu ile ilgili herşey İskan, Topraklandırma ve Eşdeğer Mal Yasası (İTEM) ile başladı. İTEM Yasası’nı çıkarttılar esas problem başladı. Herkesin malını herkese sattılar

Everything to do with the property problem in Cyprus started with the ITEM law. They introduced the ITEM law [concerning exchange property] and the basic problem started. They sold one person’s property to another person.

İTEM Yasası’na zamanında kim imza attıysa en büyük suçlu onlar. Hesap sorulacaksa İTEM Yasası’nı hazırlayanlardan sorulmalı

Whoever signed the ITEM law at the time bears most of the blame. If anybody is to be held to account, then it should be those who drew up the ITEM law.

Müzakerlerin olumlu sonuçlanacağı ile ilgili pek umutlu değilim. Ama her şeye rağmen müzakerelerin sürdüğü bir ortamda İngiliz İstinaf Mahkemesi böyle bir karar vermemeliydi. Unutulmamalıdır ki zamanında İngiliz Hükümeti bu insanların Kuzey Kıbrıs’ta ev almaması içi hiçbirşey yapmadı

I am not hopeful that the negotiations will produce a positive result. But, in spite of everything, the English High Court should not have handed down such a decision in an environment in which negotiations are being conducted. It must not be forgotten that the British government did nothing at the time to stop these people from buying houses in North Cyprus.

Bu ülke işgal altındadır. İşgal altında olan bir ülkede olacak olan budur

This country is under occupation. This is the kind of thing that happens in a country under occupation.

[Viewpoint]

Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Markos Kyprianou statement:

“The implementation and the execution of the decision is now a legal obligation and we will be following the developments closely. Of course, of exceptional importance to us are the broader consequences and the wider significance of this decision in conjunction with the important Judgment of the European Court, which was in essence adopted by the British Court as well. This decision points out certain legal facts that are very important.

First of all, it is applicable throughout Europe and it applies to all European citizens. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will become active - we have already been active since the decision of the European Court but now we will become more active, so that the significance of the decision, the illegality of purchasing immovable property and the existing risks for the buyers in illegally purchasing occupied property can be made known to all European citizens. Consequently it is a decision that binds all the member states and the citizens of the European Union and can be executed in the countries where they live.

Secondly, which is also very important, the combination of the European and British decision reaffirms that - irrespective of the occupation and the practical weakness of the state to exercise control on the occupied areas - the Laws and the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus still apply. This is a message that must be sent, not only to the citizens, the private buyers, but also to the governments of all foreign states, especially the European ones, and all those carrying out business in the occupied areas; the reminder that anything they do must be done with respect for the Laws of the Republic of Cyprus, and of course this also applies for the European Commission which, through various regulations that have been adopted to strengthen the Turkish Cypriot community, is active in the occupied areas.

Thirdly, and this concerns of course the talks in Cyprus, the legitimacy of the positions presented by our side is reaffirmed concerning, not only who the legitimate owners of occupied properties are, but also who should have a say in the management and the fate of this right, who is of course the owner.”

When will you learn that you will never be able to take control of the TRNC

The first three words in your sentence is what the Cyprus problem is all about. You guys think you can dictate the terms. Aint happening.

36 years proves you worng.

Cyprus is a prosperous country and an EU member. How is the TRNC coming along?

Fine under the GC imposed inhumane embargos, we have and can boast a guaranteed economy....Thank god Turkey is here.

[Viewpoint]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

I suggest you spend just a little time analysing and appreciating your position now. Talk to a friend, someone outside the "TRNC", who understands how things really work in the civilised world so that you can establish exactly the hole you now find yourselves.

Lets just wait and see how things unfold...you wont be so smug then.

[Malapapa]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

I suggest you spend just a little time analysing and appreciating your position now. Talk to a friend, someone outside the "TRNC", who understands how things really work in the civilised world so that you can establish exactly the hole you now find yourselves.

Lets just wait and see how things unfold...you wont be so smug then.

Why won't I, you gangster? And why should I believe anything a gangster like you says?

[Viewpoint]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

The chickens have hatched already. I know you think that nothing has changed. That the law doesn't matter in the "TRNC". The Turkish army is the law. I know that's how you feel and that's what you want to believe. But those days are over now. You need to adapt quickly to the new reality. The dream of "taksim" is over.

You believed that you could partition Cyprus, steal our land and property, establish your own mini-state and that the world would turn a blind eye. The result is that you brought ruin upon yourselves and heaped suffering upon the Greek Cypriots who were ethnically cleansed from northern Cyprus to make way for the "TRNC". You have much to answer for.

We are nearing the end game now. With this decision this week, law and justice has regained a foothold in northern Cyprus. Turkey will eventually realise it can no longer support its failed puppet state and it will leave the island. That day can't come soon enough. You'd better be ready...

Were you one of the many GCs that turned a blind eye to the suffering of TCs during the 1960s or do you subscribe to the GC teory that it was self inflicted? where were your principles back then?

The island is still divided and no amount of judgements will change that but hey keep banging your head against the TRNC brick wall until you understand that you need a solution to unite the island.

[Viewpoint]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

I suggest you spend just a little time analysing and appreciating your position now. Talk to a friend, someone outside the "TRNC", who understands how things really work in the civilised world so that you can establish exactly the hole you now find yourselves.

Lets just wait and see how things unfold...you wont be so smug then.

Why won't I, you gangster? And why should I believe anything a gangster like you says?

Gangster??? better than a liar.

[Malapapa]

Fine under the GC imposed inhumane embargos, we have and can boast a guaranteed economy....

Yes, that's what the racketeer Al Capone used to say - till the long arm of the law finally caught up with him, for tax evasion.

[Malapapa]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

I suggest you spend just a little time analysing and appreciating your position now. Talk to a friend, someone outside the "TRNC", who understands how things really work in the civilised world so that you can establish exactly the hole you now find yourselves.

Lets just wait and see how things unfold...you wont be so smug then.

Why won't I, you gangster? And why should I believe anything a gangster like you says?

Gangster??? better than a liar.

Who lied to the Orams - making them destitute? You can keep lying, but the only people you're hoodwinking now are yourselves.

[Viewpoint]

Dont count your chickens before they hatch always been the GCs biggest problem.

I suggest you spend just a little time analysing and appreciating your position now. Talk to a friend, someone outside the "TRNC", who understands how things really work in the civilised world so that you can establish exactly the hole you now find yourselves.

Lets just wait and see how things unfold...you wont be so smug then.

Why won't I, you gangster? And why should I believe anything a gangster like you says?

Gangster??? better than a liar.

Who lied to the Orams - making them destitute? You can keep lying, but the only people you're hoodwinking now are yourselves.

Dont have to look to far you are the liar.

[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=16478&z=19

Yeni Düzen has interviewed Hasan Selçuklu, who six years ago sold the land to the Orams for 40,000 pounds on which they built their villa. The following comments are attributed to Selçuklu in the article (along with translations):

Araziyi Linda v......

Thank you Tim for your time translating and sharing this info.
But what's the ITEM law, is it the procedure they gave properties according to collected points?

Btw congrats you are one of the few people who really contribute to this forum.