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[boulio]

He also claimed that Evkaf land still belonged to his community because the £1.5k paid in 1960 was not enough.

Yeah because denktah and Kucuk pocketed it.

[Kifeas]

Bill, I know you like to play, but thanks anyway. You forgot to post the page containing paragraphs 62-72.

[Pyrpolizer]

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[bill cobbett]

Bill, I know you like to play, but thanks anyway. You forgot to post the page containing paragraphs 62-72.

Sorry mate, genuine error. Givus a few mins and will post it.

[Gasman]

I don't see what the troubles of the past regarding treatment of ethnic minorities or whatever has to do with whether it can possibly be seen as just and fair for the property of someone who is forced out of their home (for whatever reason) to then be flogged off to foreigners in their absence and while they are unable to reoccupy it themselves?

If people had to leave their property behind because of a natural disaster - flood, hurricane, or whatever - would anyone think it fair if that property were sold off to the highest bidders in their absence?

A lot of what I read by those defending their actions in buying land or property built on land owned by someone else who has the title to it seems to be saying that the mere 'passage of time' makes it OK. And even more saying that because they 'trusted and believed' the estate agents/property developers who sold it to them - they are blameless. Who on earth trusts estate agents in any country? These Brits wouldn't have touched a UK property with a bargepole if they were told that the title to it was with the rightful owner but that they'd get some sort of mickey mouse title. A lot of property down in the West Country has no title deeds (old Mine Counting Houses renovated for homes for instance). It is made quite clear that every effort to trace original owner must be made and an indemnity policy taken out so that, should the rightful owner (or their inheritors) turn up, they can have their property back and the buyer be compensated or the rightful owner be compensated if that's what they prefer.

As regards the use of the word 'exchange' where all this property is concerned, as I see it - that could only ever work if there was roughly an equal amount of property to 'exchange' and, in Cyprus (again as far as I understand it) it was not divided equally between GCs and TCs.

[bill cobbett]

what really amazes me is that the t/c on this forum did not come out and say justice has been served and our properties as well have been saved(maybe i miss it)the only thing i hear is setting up LLC and that the politcal process for a settlment just got harder and that g/c have to comprimise and other rubbish.If YOU go on the hurrieyt web site there is a t/c(yes a t/c on the largest turkish newspaper site)celebrating that this was a great victory for both t/c and g/c,but not on this site.Only Kikapu but then again we are cheerleaders for Kikapu according to some friends.

Well, this was a point stressed by Mr Candounas yesterday.... A victory for all CYs.

To my mind, it is a victory for all Cys cos a court in the EU outside CY has looked, in great detail, at our little dispute, has found in favour of the cause of the Republic by respecting UN Resolutions, by respecting the integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, and by taking on board on the ECJ judgment that all '74 property rights (which will apply in the Free Areas as well as in the Occupied North) should be respected and actionable throughout the EU.

The ones who have lost out are the Scammy Regime and the Land Stealers.

[EricSeans]

Bill, I know you like to play, but thanks anyway. You forgot to post the page containing paragraphs 62-72.

Sorry mate, genuine error. Givus a few mins and will post it.

Probably still distracted by those young Turkish hotties at court yesterday. Confidence building at all levels, that's what I say.

[Gasman]

Yes it should be good news for both GC and TCs.

Some bought houses over there for a lot less than you'd pay for a half decent car, motorbike or small boat. They've had their money's worth in my view. And some invested their savings over there and have enjoyed the astronomically high interest rates paid to them for many years (probably more than covered what they paid for the cheapie properties).

When I was struggling to get UK banks to give me even 5% a few years ago (it is just about zilch now), I met people who had bought in the North and were crowing about 13% and more. The same people no doubt who will expect sympathy if they lose their 2bed house with use of pool that they paid about 20K for off plan.

Back then whenever I questioned anyone who was thinking of, or had actually bought over there, asking weren't they worried about the legal situation, they brushed it aside either saying their property developers had guaranteed them their money back if it all went tits up (yeah - I bet they won't get it!), or that there would never be a Cyprus Solution as it had gone on so long. Or that they expected Northern Cyprus to be admitted to the EU and their properties to double in price as soon as that happened.

Some say that it is only in recent years any warnings have been given out. I disagree. I was looking into buying a property in Cyprus more than 6 yrs ago and knew little or next to nothing about the situation regarding the North and South. Most decent estate agents in the UK and in Cyprus (even one TC Es Ag in N. Cyprus) warned me not to touch property over there with a bargepole unless it was pre 1974 Turkish Title and I was given links to Govt Websites with clear warnings and some agents even had those warnings printed CLEARLY on their websites, explaining exactly why they would never sell any property in the occupied territories.

Yet almost every Brit I hear speaking now who has bought over there is bleating that they knew nothing of the dangers, no one warned them and so on. Has to be a case of reading and believing only what you want to hear if you ask me.

The ridiculously low property prices alone should send up a big red warning flag. Especially if you simply compare them with prices of any property that does carry pre 1974 Turkish Title.

If you were looking for a property in the UK and the spanking new 4 bed villa with pool cost less than half of the crumbling old victorian 2bed terrace just up the road, with no garage or parking or garden - would you not ask yourself and everyone else ... WHY?

[EricSeans]

Yes it should be good news for both GC and TCs.

Some bought houses over there for a lot less than you'd pay for a half decent car, motorbike or small boat. They've had their money's worth in my view. And some invested their savings over there and have enjoyed the astronomically high interest rates paid to them for many years (probably more than covered what they paid for the cheapie properties).

When I was struggling to get UK banks to give me even 5% a few years ago (it is just about zilch now), I met people who had bought in the North and were crowing about 13% and more. The same people no doubt who will expect sympathy if they lose their 2bed house with use of pool that they paid about 20K for off plan.

Back then whenever I questioned anyone who was thinking of, or had actually bought over there, asking weren't they worried about the legal situation, they brushed it aside either saying their property developers had guaranteed them their money back if it all went tits up (yeah - I bet they won't get it!), or that there would never be a Cyprus Solution as it had gone on so long. Or that they expected Northern Cyprus to be admitted to the EU and their properties to double in price as soon as that happened.

Some say that it is only in recent years any warnings have been given out. I disagree. I was looking into buying a property in Cyprus more than 6 yrs ago and knew little or next to nothing about the situation regarding the North and South. Most decent estate agents in the UK and in Cyprus (even one TC Es Ag in N. Cyprus) warned me not to touch property over there with a bargepole unless it was pre 1974 Turkish Title and I was given links to Govt Websites with clear warnings and some agents even had those warnings printed CLEARLY on their websites, explaining exactly why they would never sell any property in the occupied territories.

Yet almost every Brit I hear speaking now who has bought over there is bleating that they knew nothing of the dangers, no one warned them and so on. Has to be a case of reading and believing only what you want to hear if you ask me.

The ridiculously low property prices alone should send up a big red warning flag. Especially if you simply compare them with prices of any property that does carry pre 1974 Turkish Title.

If you were looking for a property in the UK and the spanking new 4 bed villa with pool cost less than half of the crumbling old victorian 2bed terrace just up the road, with no garage or parking or garden - would you not ask yourself and everyone else ... WHY?

Don't tell me I've met another dissident in the north.

[bill cobbett]

Reh Kifeas ..... the missing page .....


Sorry to our dissident northern friends, didn't mean to disturb your seditious libel .....

Yes it should be good news for both GC and TCs.

Some bought houses over there for a lot less than you'd pay for a half decent car, motorbike or small boat. They've had their money's worth in my view. And some invested their savings over there and have enjoyed the astronomically high interest rates paid to them for many years (probably more than covered what they paid for the cheapie properties).

When I was struggling to get UK banks to give me even 5% a few years ago (it is just about zilch now), I met people who had bought in the North and were crowing about 13% and more. The same people no doubt who will expect sympathy if they lose their 2bed house with use of pool that they paid about 20K for off plan.

Back then whenever I questioned anyone who was thinking of, or had actually bought over there, asking weren't they worried about the legal situation, they brushed it aside either saying their property developers had guaranteed them their money back if it all went tits up (yeah - I bet they won't get it!), or that there would never be a Cyprus Solution as it had gone on so long. Or that they expected Northern Cyprus to be admitted to the EU and their properties to double in price as soon as that happened.

Some say that it is only in recent years any warnings have been given out. I disagree. I was looking into buying a property in Cyprus more than 6 yrs ago and knew little or next to nothing about the situation regarding the North and South. Most decent estate agents in the UK and in Cyprus (even one TC Es Ag in N. Cyprus) warned me not to touch property over there with a bargepole unless it was pre 1974 Turkish Title and I was given links to Govt Websites with clear warnings and some agents even had those warnings printed CLEARLY on their websites, explaining exactly why they would never sell any property in the occupied territories.

Yet almost every Brit I hear speaking now who has bought over there is bleating that they knew nothing of the dangers, no one warned them and so on. Has to be a case of reading and believing only what you want to hear if you ask me.

The ridiculously low property prices alone should send up a big red warning flag. Especially if you simply compare them with prices of any property that does carry pre 1974 Turkish Title.

If you were looking for a property in the UK and the spanking new 4 bed villa with pool cost less than half of the crumbling old victorian 2bed terrace just up the road, with no garage or parking or garden - would you not ask yourself and everyone else ... WHY?

Don't tell me I've met another dissident in the north.