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[Malapapa]

The only way to deal with a bully like Turkey is to raise one's self esteem and dignity. This gives one the inner strength to develop a clear strategy to overcome his threats and intimidation. The cowardly way is to give in to his unreasonable demands, because one fears how he'll react. The cowardly way is live under the bully's shadow forever.

BirKibrisli's way is the cowardly way.

[RAFAELLA]

Mr Apostolides & his lawyer Mr kantounas

Thank you Sir, for your stuberness, your patience and your faith.


....at least the Orams will have something to remind them the good days, photos cannot be taken away

[YFred]

Mr Apostolides & his lawyer Mr kantounas

Thank you Sir, for your stuberness, your patience and your faith.


....at least the Orams will have something to remind them the good days, photos cannot be taken away

I guess as you lived it, that is something you appreciate very well then isn't it dear?

[-mikkie2-]

If this judgement causes the TC's and Turkey to harden their statnce, then they are digging an even bigger hole for themselves. Attempts to get non EU nationals to invest in the north will not work because most people that could afford to will in all probability have interests somewhere in the EU so would be discouraged anyway.

This has to be a victory for justice. This does show that eventually there is only one path that can be followed and the sooner Turkey accepts this, the better for everyone.

[BirKibrisli]

Now we have to wait and see how this judgement reflects on the negotiations and on the political landscape...If I am right in my misgivings it will make agreeing to a solution more difficult...

I cannot see how this judgement makes things more difficult in the talks. It makes the property issue one of legal right and takes away the Turkish argument that property owners should be deprived of their rights. That is a good thing. It's only if you believe that the Greek Cypriot owners should be deprived of their rights that the talks become "difficult".

Why on earth should we discuss with Turkey a solution that deprives us of our rights? This is nonsense. I'm fed up with these spurious arguments that justice for the Greek Cypriots makes the talks "difficult". The only thing that makes talks difficult is the Turkish insistence on depriving the legal owners to the land in the north their right of return and restitution.

Restoring rights to those expelled from their homes is fundamental to a solution. Why do Turks insist that this is some kind of a loss to their side? Can Turkish Cypriots only conceive of a solution at our expense? The T/Cs need to stop thinking in terms of zero-sum games and start thinking of how they can live in peace and prosperity with the majority of citizens on this island. That will never happen as long as T/Cs insist on depriving others of their human rights. One question: why would you want to live on this island on those terms anyway?

It will make it more difficult for two reasons:
ONE: The GC side will take this as a political decision and harden their stand on the property issue...
TWO: The TC side and Turkey will put on a brave face,but behind close door will take this as a slap in the face both from the EU and now the british Juristiction and harden their stand on property issue as well...

If Cyprus probem was only about the property issue,the right of return for all,INCLUDING THE TCS TO THE SOUTH,this decision would have helped settle the issue...But we all know it is not just about the refugees and the right of return...all you need to do is look at all the chapters we are discussing in the current negotiations to realise how complicated it will be to find a compromise to agree on...
Having said that,again,let us all rejoice that natural justice has prevailed,and take nothing away from the achievement of Mr Apostolides...

I was interviewed yesterday both by the Turkish and T/C media. In response to a question by the interviewer as how I feel about the result of the case I responded.
"This not a victory over our compatriots the T/Cs but it is a victory for justice and fairness ."

Does this outcome prejudice in any way the continuation of the talks now taking place ? Of course it does. That Turkey will take this outcome as one of rejection by the EU and all its member States of her claim over Cyprus there is no doubt about.
It will will have a significant effect on the continued talks and I think it would enhance rather than damage the prospects of a solution in as much as the creation of Turkey over which she has total and absolute control , ie the "trnc" will see its property market , as it already has , come to a complete standstill. Reassessments will have to be made both by Turkey and its creation , as the political ratifications sink in.
The fact that endorsement by the EU and by the decision of the British courts that the RoC has sovereignty over all of the island regardless of the fact the RoC HAS NO DOMESTIC jurisdiction over the northern part of the island.
The courts also pointed out , appendix 49 that the Advocate General stated that it is far from clear that the registration of this judgment would exacerbate the situation in Cyprus , adding that failure to enforce it would be a permit and an encouragement for further sales of land in the north of Cyprus notwithstanding the title there of Greek Cypriots.

That's hope you are right,dear miltiades...
Perhaps I should be more optimistic...It is not every day that natural justice wins a battle...

[RAFAELLA]

....at least the Orams will have something to remind them the good days, photos cannot be taken away

I guess as you lived it, that is something you appreciate very well then isn't it dear?

Wrong my dear. I do not have a single photo from my childhood in Famagusta thanks to your mighty turkish occupation forces. They usurped our peace, our properties, our lives.

Sorry, you missed again.

[BirKibrisli]

Sure. A solution needs to be found where people's rights to their property is respected - or else someone will get there arse sued. Now what?

Now we have to wait and see how this judgement reflects on the negotiations and on the political landscape...If I am right in my misgivings it will make agreeing to a solution more difficult...

Why more difficult? Is Turkey now less likely to agree a solution where people's rights to their property is respected?

I have tried to explain my reasons,MP,but as usual you want to simplify everything...this time simplify it to people's right to property...I understand the Turkish mentality a bit better than you,I think... But,I was perhaps wrong to issue a warning on such a euphoric day! I hope one day I won't have to say "I told you so" !

[BirKibrisli]

The only way to deal with a bully like Turkey is to raise one's self esteem and dignity. This gives one the inner strength to develop a clear strategy to overcome his threats and intimidation. The cowardly way is to give in to his unreasonable demands, because one fears how he'll react. The cowardly way is live under the bully's shadow forever.

BirKibrisli's way is the cowardly way.

I would call it the only realistic way...Any solution to Cyprob will have to be a compromise...If you believe calling your interlocutor in negotiations names (like bully!) will raise your self esteem and dignity go for it...But that would not help soften the stand of an opponent like Turkey...I am only the messenger,my friend,shoot me if you like....But be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot...

[Oracle]

..something that does not exist cannot collapse...The trnc economy is entirely supported by Turkey,at great expense,and this will continue until a solution is found...

It's Turkey's economy, which will collapse. That is the bulls-eye ...

[BirKibrisli]

..something that does not exist cannot collapse...The trnc economy is entirely supported by Turkey,at great expense,and this will continue until a solution is found...

It's Turkey's economy, which will collapse. That is the bulls-eye ...

You know so little about Turkey,it is really laughable...
Turkey' economy is one of the last in the world to collapse...You know why??? Because it is largely a black market economy,outside the reach of global economic forces...