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[runaway]

a lot of Turkish flags here

Don't get too excited. Mine is only temporary and for a protest. When the TRNC flag is available then it will go.

Will admin allow the TRNC flag?

who cares. It's already on Beşparmak mountains.

That too may soon change...

You bet. Why don't you cross the border and give it a try like the salmon jerk?

[DT.]

a lot of Turkish flags here

Don't get too excited. Mine is only temporary and for a protest. When the TRNC flag is available then it will go.

Will admin allow the TRNC flag?

who cares. It's already on Beşparmak mountains.

That too may soon change...

You bet. Why don't you cross the border and give it a try like the salmon jerk?

patience skidmark, patience.

[vaughanwilliams]

I think we ought to ignore you mate from now on.
The reason you and the rest of cheapskates have not been arrested is because the RoC does not wish to inflame the political situation , but as you know there is more than one way to skin a ..cheapskate !

And you think the Orams case hasn't inflamed it? I can tell you that according to the TC papers you have really poked a wasps nest. On your heads be it.

[miltiades]

Now we have to wait and see how this judgement reflects on the negotiations and on the political landscape...If I am right in my misgivings it will make agreeing to a solution more difficult...

I cannot see how this judgement makes things more difficult in the talks. It makes the property issue one of legal right and takes away the Turkish argument that property owners should be deprived of their rights. That is a good thing. It's only if you believe that the Greek Cypriot owners should be deprived of their rights that the talks become "difficult".

Why on earth should we discuss with Turkey a solution that deprives us of our rights? This is nonsense. I'm fed up with these spurious arguments that justice for the Greek Cypriots makes the talks "difficult". The only thing that makes talks difficult is the Turkish insistence on depriving the legal owners to the land in the north their right of return and restitution.

Restoring rights to those expelled from their homes is fundamental to a solution. Why do Turks insist that this is some kind of a loss to their side? Can Turkish Cypriots only conceive of a solution at our expense? The T/Cs need to stop thinking in terms of zero-sum games and start thinking of how they can live in peace and prosperity with the majority of citizens on this island. That will never happen as long as T/Cs insist on depriving others of their human rights. One question: why would you want to live on this island on those terms anyway?

It will make it more difficult for two reasons:
ONE: The GC side will take this as a political decision and harden their stand on the property issue...
TWO: The TC side and Turkey will put on a brave face,but behind close door will take this as a slap in the face both from the EU and now the british Juristiction and harden their stand on property issue as well...

If Cyprus probem was only about the property issue,the right of return for all,INCLUDING THE TCS TO THE SOUTH,this decision would have helped settle the issue...But we all know it is not just about the refugees and the right of return...all you need to do is look at all the chapters we are discussing in the current negotiations to realise how complicated it will be to find a compromise to agree on...
Having said that,again,let us all rejoice that natural justice has prevailed,and take nothing away from the achievement of Mr Apostolides...

I was interviewed yesterday both by the Turkish and T/C media. In response to a question by the interviewer as how I feel about the result of the case I responded.
"This not a victory over our compatriots the T/Cs but it is a victory for justice and fairness ."

Does this outcome prejudice in any way the continuation of the talks now taking place ? Of course it does. That Turkey will take this outcome as one of rejection by the EU and all its member States of her claim over Cyprus there is no doubt about.
It will will have a significant effect on the continued talks and I think it would enhance rather than damage the prospects of a solution in as much as the creation of Turkey over which she has total and absolute control , ie the "trnc" will see its property market , as it already has , come to a complete standstill. Reassessments will have to be made both by Turkey and its creation , as the political ratifications sink in.
The fact that endorsement by the EU and by the decision of the British courts that the RoC has sovereignty over all of the island regardless of the fact the RoC HAS NO DOMESTIC jurisdiction over the northern part of the island.
The courts also pointed out , appendix 49 that the Advocate General stated that it is far from clear that the registration of this judgment would exacerbate the situation in Cyprus , adding that failure to enforce it would be a permit and an encouragement for further sales of land in the north of Cyprus notwithstanding the title there of Greek Cypriots.

[miltiades]

I think we ought to ignore you mate from now on.
The reason you and the rest of cheapskates have not been arrested is because the RoC does not wish to inflame the political situation , but as you know there is more than one way to skin a ..cheapskate !

And you think the Orams case hasn't inflamed it? I can tell you that according to the TC papers you have really poked a wasps nest. On your heads be it.

I thought you would be busy packing !

[DT.]

I think we ought to ignore you mate from now on.
The reason you and the rest of cheapskates have not been arrested is because the RoC does not wish to inflame the political situation , but as you know there is more than one way to skin a ..cheapskate !

And you think the Orams case hasn't inflamed it? I can tell you that according to the TC papers you have really poked a wasps nest. On your heads be it.

I thought you would be busy packing !

[denizaksulu]

a lot of Turkish flags here

Don't get too excited. Mine is only temporary and for a protest. When the TRNC flag is available then it will go.

Will admin allow the TRNC flag?

who cares. It's already on Beşparmak mountains.

That too may soon change...

Come on GR, with the resources at your hand, who owns the land where the double grafitti is?

[Gasman]

I'm wondering how this will affect all the UK property companies who advertise these properties built on GC land. They made much of the original Orams' victory to persuade Brit buyers they had nothing to worry about, some even posted photos of the Orams' legal team toasting their victory with champagne.

Would they now be breaking the law if they continue to encourage the sale of land and property that belongs to displaced GCs?

Tried a quick check of one of the largest UK companies to see if they've removed their reassurances that it is safe to buy, but funnily enough - couldn't access their website at all.

[Malapapa]

Sure. A solution needs to be found where people's rights to their property is respected - or else someone will get there arse sued. Now what?

Now we have to wait and see how this judgement reflects on the negotiations and on the political landscape...If I am right in my misgivings it will make agreeing to a solution more difficult...

Why more difficult? Is Turkey now less likely to agree a solution where people's rights to their property is respected?

[miltiades]

Sure. A solution needs to be found where people's rights to their property is respected - or else someone will get there arse sued. Now what?

Now we have to wait and see how this judgement reflects on the negotiations and on the political landscape...If I am right in my misgivings it will make agreeing to a solution more difficult...

Why more difficult? Is Turkey now less likely to agree a solution where people's rights to their property is respected?

I too believe that Turkey , who the west now sees as a go between the West and the Islamic world , Iran , Afghanistan being areas where Turkish diplomacy is assisting the West , can not dismiss international and more importantly now European decisions that are eroding her political claims on Cyprus. The realization that the EU considers still the RoC as the sole sovereign legality over all of Cyprus will instill in Turkey a sense of urgency and re assessment of her position in order to facilitate a solution to the Cyprus problem.
The number of visitors to the occupied parts will be severely affected considering steps that are now being considered concerning hotels owned by G/Cs or hotels that are built on G/C land.