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[bill cobbett]

Whilst we wait for Kifeas to commit to jumping in to Kyrenia Harbour on Liberation day ...

Can I thank all for their kind words above but must say that it was a team effort with me leaning against a wall smoking and typing into a smart phone the news that Jerry and Milti were gathering and bringing back as they circulated amongst the crowd talking and listening to people. A real team effort folks.

[Viewpoint]

All costs will be met by the TRNC and Turkey, just as your lawyers and Apostilies were bankrolled by the "RoC".

Perhaps, but the RoC had nothing to lose as this was an open-and-shut case that was just going to take time to win...

If I was the Orams I wouldn't be holding my breath that compensation and legal fees will now be met by Turkey.

This was determined before therefore the TRNC plus Turkey will meet costs, but I still feel that the procedure that follows will not be as simple or open and shut as you think, the road is still very long and full of frustrating twists and turns. The plaintiff will still not have his land back and without a solution he never will.

[Mr. T]

This is what the Orams now have to do .....

terminate the trespass on their behalf over the land belonging to Apostolides;

Deliver up possession of the land to Apostolides;

Bring down the villa built on Apostolides land.

If as seems likely the TRNC does not allow the Orams to do either of the above then UK courts will not penalise the Orams for not taking action beyond their control.

According to TONC, which doesn't recognise the RoC or its judgements, the land still belongs to the Orams. So how can it stop them? What is Talat going to do? Get Turkey's army to invade it?

Don't be silly. Of course the TRNC could stop the Orams from demolishing the house just as it would be illegal to demolish a property in the UK without permission. It may be the same in south Cyprus too. The Orams will obviously ask for permission which if not granted would make demolishing the property illegal , a situation which would probably suit them.

[miltiades]

VP , IT IS ALL BUT OVER .

[Viewpoint]

Nothing will chnage this will blow over and the TRNC property developers will sell to other countries, full stop.

Are you really this thick? Or just in denial? Who from outside Europe is going to risk buying property in northern Cyprus? Even if you tried to flog off Greek-owned property to a few Israelis with no assets in Europe, how far would that sustain your economy? You just never learn. The courts tell you to stop doing something because its illegal and you just want to carry on doing it. You're a bunch of unreformed, compulsive, serial criminals. The lot of you.

Besides, the "TRNC" economy is going to go down the pan now. Who is going to invest in the "TRNC" now? Any companies or individuals with assets in Europe will in future be at risk from judgements in the ROC courts and risk claims against assets in Europe. And we haven't even started going after Turkish assets in Europe yet. It's over, mate. The 'TRNC" was effectively sentenced to death today. Your criminal days are over. You're going to have to make an honest living now. Let's see if you can manage it...

How long will it take you to eat your words about the TRNC economy, 3 4 5 years when you see that nothing will change??? People will keep buying if they feel there is a bargin to be had and there are plenty of Turkish investors in the TRNC, currenty there are exactly 11 large scale hotels being erected in the Bafra region, life goes on even after the Orams judgement.

[Viewpoint]

VP , IT IS ALL BUT OVER .

How Miltiades??? this ruling will not chnage jack shit how long will it take for you to realize this? will GCs get their properties back without a solution?

[Pyrpolizer]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

VP , the Royal Courts of justice have upheld the EC judgement as given in April 2009.
The ruling will be enforced on the assets of the Orams in the UK. Can you see any Brits rushing to "purchase" G/C land !!!

This part is contained in the judgement , you may find it interesting.
Appendix 50:
The independence , territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus was recognized and indeed guaranteed by the United Kingdom in the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. Moreover , by a succession of Security Council Resolutions, consistently reaffirmed , all states are called upon "to respect the sovereignty, independence , territorial integrity and non-alignement of the Republic of Cyprus " (Resolution 541 of 18 November 1983)

International law and more importantly European law can not be ignored by Turkey , neither can Turkey dismiss today,s judgement .

Nothing will chnage this will blow over and the TRNC property developers will sell to other countries, full stop.

What a naive statement...
There will be arrest warrants waiting for them all over Europe. Be it Israelis or Arabs or whatever.
In fact this decision can even be applied on TCs and Turks.

[Viewpoint]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

VP , the Royal Courts of justice have upheld the EC judgement as given in April 2009.
The ruling will be enforced on the assets of the Orams in the UK. Can you see any Brits rushing to "purchase" G/C land !!!

This part is contained in the judgement , you may find it interesting.
Appendix 50:
The independence , territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus was recognized and indeed guaranteed by the United Kingdom in the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. Moreover , by a succession of Security Council Resolutions, consistently reaffirmed , all states are called upon "to respect the sovereignty, independence , territorial integrity and non-alignement of the Republic of Cyprus " (Resolution 541 of 18 November 1983)

International law and more importantly European law can not be ignored by Turkey , neither can Turkey dismiss today,s judgement .

Nothing will chnage this will blow over and the TRNC property developers will sell to other countries, full stop.

What a naive statement...
There will be arrest warrants waiting for them all over Europe. Be it Israelis or Arabs or whatever.
In fact this decision can even be applied on TCs and Turks.

Do your worse, lets see a few arrests and then we will talk again.

[boulio]

THe property issue should have been dealt with in the North as it was in the south,THere should have never been any "trnc title deeds"issued to anyone.THe properities should have been used as is till a solution came.Or if anything the "trnc"should have sold govt land if anything not personel.People say it is the most comlex issue of the cyprus problem but as we see today it really isn't.

[Viewpoint]

THe property issue should have been dealt with in the North as it was in the south,THere should have never been any "trnc title deeds"issued to anyone.THe properities should have been used as is till a solution came.Or if anything the "trnc"should have sold govt land if anything not personel.People say it is the most comlex issue of the cyprus problem but as we see today it really isn't.

What has it changed? the GC will still not get back or enjoy his property, without a comprehensive solution nothing will change.