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[Viewpoint]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

VP , the Royal Courts of justice have upheld the EC judgement as given in April 2009.
The ruling will be enforced on the assets of the Orams in the UK. Can you see any Brits rushing to "purchase" G/C land !!!

This part is contained in the judgement , you may find it interesting.
Appendix 50:
The independence , territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus was recognized and indeed guaranteed by the United Kingdom in the Treaty of Guarantee of 1960. Moreover , by a succession of Security Council Resolutions, consistently reaffirmed , all states are called upon "to respect the sovereignty, independence , territorial integrity and non-alignement of the Republic of Cyprus " (Resolution 541 of 18 November 1983)

International law and more importantly European law can not be ignored by Turkey , neither can Turkey dismiss today,s judgement .

Nothing will chnage this will blow over and the TRNC property developers will sell to other countries, full stop.

Which other countries? And which of these countries won't have reciprocal arrangements with the EU, enabling Cypriot court decisions to be enforced in these countries?

Plenty, the builders association have been finding new markets to sell property so its not the end of the world, life goes on, maybe you can now take the arabs or iranians to court in the EU

[Malapapa]

This is what the Orams now have to do .....

terminate the trespass on their behalf over the land belonging to Apostolides;

Deliver up possession of the land to Apostolides;

Bring down the villa built on Apostolides land.

If as seems likely the TRNC does not allow the Orams to do either of the above then UK courts will not penalise the Orams for not taking action beyond their control.

It is not the UK courts that decide the matter. It is the courts in the ROC who will judge if the Orams are fulfilling their responsibilities. The UK courts have to allow ROC verdicts to be implemented there if they cannot be executed in the north of Cyprus. That's what this case was about.

It's not just demolishing the property either. There is the question of compensation. And any other legal demands made by the ROC courts. Crucially, Mr. Apostolides is also acknowledged as the legitimate owner of the property in Lapithos. Nothing can take that away from him. Something that undermines Turkish claims that the occupation has changed "the facts on the ground". It hasn't.

The "RoC" cannot enforce anything the Orams will pay the fine, what was it 4000 euros? and cliam they are not able to demolish due to the TRNC stopping them, the matter will be tied up in red tape and put out to dry.

And how about the court costs? And the compensation costs for trespassing on his land without permission? All these judges who have to declare Orams guilty have to be paid you know. As does the refugee's legal team. (I assume Cheri Blair's fees were bankrolled by Turkey - and she'll sue if she isn't paid although she's not that good a lawyer so you might get away with it. I wish Turkey well with wriggling out of that one).

[boulio]

Yeah and thats why the real estate market in the North is frozen and on the verge of collapse.

[Viewpoint]

This is what the Orams now have to do .....

terminate the trespass on their behalf over the land belonging to Apostolides;

Deliver up possession of the land to Apostolides;

Bring down the villa built on Apostolides land.

If as seems likely the TRNC does not allow the Orams to do either of the above then UK courts will not penalise the Orams for not taking action beyond their control.

It is not the UK courts that decide the matter. It is the courts in the ROC who will judge if the Orams are fulfilling their responsibilities. The UK courts have to allow ROC verdicts to be implemented there if they cannot be executed in the north of Cyprus. That's what this case was about.

It's not just demolishing the property either. There is the question of compensation. And any other legal demands made by the ROC courts. Crucially, Mr. Apostolides is also acknowledged as the legitimate owner of the property in Lapithos. Nothing can take that away from him. Something that undermines Turkish claims that the occupation has changed "the facts on the ground". It hasn't.

The "RoC" cannot enforce anything the Orams will pay the fine, what was it 4000 euros? and cliam they are not able to demolish due to the TRNC stopping them, the matter will be tied up in red tape and put out to dry.

And how about the court costs? And the compensation costs for trespassing on his land without permission? All these judges who have to declare Orams guilty have to be paid you know. As does the refugee's legal team. (I assume Cheri Blair's fees were bankrolled by Turkey - and she'll sue if she isn't paid although she's not that good a lawyer so you might get away with it. I wish Turkey well with wriggling out of that one).

All costs will be met by the TRNC and Turkey, just as your lawyers and Apostilies were bankrolled by the "RoC".

[Malapapa]

Plenty, the builders association have been finding new markets to sell property so its not the end of the world, life goes on, maybe you can now take the arabs or iranians to court in the EU

Arabs? Iranians? How about Afghanis? Sudanese? North Koreans?

[boulio]

cant wait till this gets rolling:

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 4499-.aspx

[Viewpoint]

Yeah and thats why the real estate market in the North is frozen and on the verge of collapse.

OK life goes on and these GC tales of doom and gloom in the TRNC are just that tales.

[Viewpoint]

Plenty, the builders association have been finding new markets to sell property so its not the end of the world, life goes on, maybe you can now take the arabs or iranians to court in the EU

Arabs? Iranians? How about Afghanis? Sudanese? North Koreans?

Who ever has the money will buy, the Israelis have bought up half of Esentepe.

[Malapapa]

All costs will be met by the TRNC and Turkey, just as your lawyers and Apostilies were bankrolled by the "RoC".

Perhaps, but the RoC had nothing to lose as this was an open-and-shut case that was just going to take time to win...

If I was the Orams I wouldn't be holding my breath that compensation and legal fees will now be met by Turkey.

[Hermes]

Nothing will chnage this will blow over and the TRNC property developers will sell to other countries, full stop.

Are you really this thick? Or just in denial? Who from outside Europe is going to risk buying property in northern Cyprus? Even if you tried to flog off Greek-owned property to a few Israelis with no assets in Europe, how far would that sustain your economy? You just never learn. The courts tell you to stop doing something because its illegal and you just want to carry on doing it. You're a bunch of unreformed, compulsive, serial criminals. The lot of you.

Besides, the "TRNC" economy is going to go down the pan now. Who is going to invest in the "TRNC" now? Any companies or individuals with assets in Europe will in future be at risk from judgements in the ROC courts and risk claims against assets in Europe. And we haven't even started going after Turkish assets in Europe yet. It's over, mate. The 'TRNC" was effectively sentenced to death today. Your criminal days are over. You're going to have to make an honest living now. Let's see if you can manage it...