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[Kifeas]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7029187/The-end-of-a-dream.html


Comments from Lord Justice Pill:

"The perception of the reasonable and informed observer would be, as is my perception, that there was no real possibility that the President (of the ECJ) would be influenced by the honour he received or by his other contacts. The judgment of the court is in no way tarnished by those contacts, considered either individually or cumulatively."

Lord Justice Pill made it clear at the beginning of his judgment that nothing in the ruling could be taken to indicate "an acceptance of or a comment upon the legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus".

He said he accepted there was an international consensus that every encouragement should be given to achieving a peaceful settlement of the long-standing disputes in Cyprus.

"To proceed from that acceptance to accepting a proposition that United Kingdom courts should treat it as manifestly contrary to public policy in the United Kingdom to enforce the obligation under Community law to register judgments of courts in Cyprus is a very large step."

He probably wanted or meant to say "...is a pure nonsense," but he then decided to use a more "civilized" term.

[Hermes]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

Yes. That's what this is all about. The Orams must abide by the ruling otherwise their property, assets, savings and pension in the UK will be seized. They must demolish the house, pay compensation to Mr. Apostolides, return the property to him and pay all legal costs. Mrs. Orams is already looking at ways to demolish the property. She will have to abide by all the terms of the ruling otherwise the Orams risk claims against their assets in the UK.

So you see how everything has changed. The ROC courts' decisions can be implemented in the rest of Europe. All the might of the Turkish army sitting in Cyprus couldn't stop Mr. Apostolides from pursuing the Orams in the UK courts and forcing them to abide by the decisions of the ROC courts. It also means that the original owners of property in the north can pursue claims against anyone in the "TRNC" who has usurped their property and claim against their assets anywhere in Europe.

The possibilities are endless. Hotels, houses, marinas, businesses, government agencies, banks, companies, anyone in fact who is exploiting property that is Greek-Cypriot owned in the north of Cyprus can be sued in the ROC and have their assets seized in Europe.

The fun is only just starting...

[Kifeas]

Any chance we may have a link to the actual text of today's UK court ruling?

Will you relax? You think finding these things is easy? Just wait...

I can't see them posting any past judgments Kifeas…

http://search.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/k ... =118&ln=en

But here's something else interesting...

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/info ... /index.htm

I thought some people were already there and obtained copies. How difficult is it to scan and post the full text?

C'mon you people, those that obtained the text. If you do not have a scanner, use your mobile phone and take photos of the pages. It is only 32 pages. Then post them here through an image hosting website, and post the links here.

This is an example of a page photo I just made and post. It took me less than a minute.



You just go here:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/

and everything else is very simple.

Any chance we may have a link to the actual text of today's UK court ruling?

[Mr. T]

This is what the Orams now have to do .....

terminate the trespass on their behalf over the land belonging to Apostolides;

Deliver up possession of the land to Apostolides;

Bring down the villa built on Apostolides land.

If as seems likely the TRNC does not allow the Orams to do either of the above then UK courts will not penalise the Orams for not taking action beyond their control.

[boulio]

question ,say british pensioner sold everything in england and moved to the "trnc",money in turkish banks,property in n.cyprus,no assets in europe only in "trnc".His daughter gives birth in england and he wants to travel there to see his grandchild can there be a arrest warrent issued for him now?Since there is no property to go after?

[kafenes]

This is what the Orams now have to do .....

terminate the trespass on their behalf over the land belonging to Apostolides;

Deliver up possession of the land to Apostolides;

Bring down the villa built on Apostolides land.

If as seems likely the TRNC does not allow the Orams to do either of the above then UK courts will not penalise the Orams for not taking action beyond their control.

They still have to pay the rent and all legal costs. After they have done that, if they don't pull down the house, that's even better for Mr. A.

[RichardB]

question ,say british pensioner sold everything in england and moved to the "trnc",money in turkish banks,property in n.cyprus,no assets in europe only in "trnc".His daughter gives birth in england and he wants to travel there to see his grandchild can there be a arrest warrent issued for him now?Since there is no property to go after?

If the person had been charged , found guilty and failed to comply with the decision of the court then yes , that person could be arrested in any EU country

[Viewpoint]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

well obviously the turks will ignore it as they do everything else we know this
but if the English couple do not listen the uk court will give them their property in the uk they will pay and by the sounds of their statement at the end where they will order the demolish of the property they will do it.. its just a Question of what the turks will do with it after the couple is gone..

my guess is another turkish settlers family will move in.

It's more about getting justice from people who think its okay to buy stolen property and get away with it..

also a lot of other cases now may force the others who have bought stolen property to move. Turkey thought they where cleaver and could sell off gcs houses and get away with it but now they will see it will make them lose a whole lot instead of gain.

But your right in the sense that even if we kick out the people who bought the stolen land turkey wont be willing to let the gcs move back and that turkey will just give it to other turks. but its the principle. eventually we will take our land back in the north and remove the walls

Without agreeing a comprehensive solution with Tcs you will get hot air 36 years is proof enough.

[Kifeas]

Any chance we may have a link to the actual text of today's UK court ruling?

[Viewpoint]

What happens now? what difference will it really make?

Priceless.

Tell us, what will happen, can the ruling be enforced?

Don't be obtuse. If they don't pay the refugee compensation and don't comply with the court ruling to demolish the house built on his land there will be an enforcement order entitling authorities to seize their assets in the UK, including their home in Hove.

Do you think that will actually happen?