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[Bananiot]

In "Phileleptheros" newspaper, there is a column that is titled "Today, 42 Years Ago". There is an interesting revelation here that we should all pay attention to, if we really want to understand the Cyprus issue.

On January 11, in 1968, Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots and in his speech he declared the ending of the policy of the desirable (union with Greece) and he spoke of a new drive, this time for the feasible. Since the Cyprus issue has entered a most crucial state, he informed the Greek Cypriots, and we now need to take serious and courageous initiatives in order to overcome the stalemate, the solution sought must be now one within the framework of the feasible, rather than the desirable, and thus I appeal to you to renew my mandate in the coming presidential elections, because I cannot pursue the desirable any longer. I place myself to the judgment of the Greek Cypriot people in order to pursue the feasible.

The above proves beyond doubt that Makarios never took his signature of 1959 seriously and that from day one he became a fanatic adversary of independent Cyprus. He worked ceaselessly for the annulment of the agreements he signed in order to bring in enosis from the back door.

I wonder for how long we will still continue to blame everybody else for our predicament when the answers are staring us in the face.

[YFred]

So Makarios had better vision in 1968 then the university educated forumers of 2010. They are still trying to achieve the desirable rather than the feasible. God help us all, the trouble is god does not exist. Interesting times ahead, to see which way the GC population at large will vote, if it gets to the vote.

[Viewpoint]

Something a brewing but then again in the next couple of months it may all just cave in.

[Get Real!]

The closer we get to the collapse of negotiations with the Turkish and Ottoman remnant blackmailers (who in the process of their ethnic cleansing of 185,000 odd Greek Cypriots from their homes and properties in 1974 also murdered around 5,000 of them and still go unpunished), the more desperate you seem to get Bananiot…

…and that is a GOOD SIGN for Cyprus.


There's only one way forward Bananiot...


OBEY INTERNATIONAL LAW

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm


Cease being an accessory to mass crime and redeem yourself Bananiot…

[Bananiot]

Rubbish as always, GR. Isn't it the UN that push both sides to reach an agreed solution? But of course, looking at the past is not your favourite pastime for you are unable to understand the reasons we have reached thus far and that in politics you do not delete past actions, like the rubbish you publish here that can be deleted by the push of a miserable button.

[Murataga]

In "Phileleptheros" newspaper, there is a column that is titled "Today, 42 Years Ago". There is an interesting revelation here that we should all pay attention to, if we really want to understand the Cyprus issue.

On January 11, in 1968, Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots and in his speech he declared the ending of the policy of the desirable (union with Greece) and he spoke of a new drive, this time for the feasible. Since the Cyprus issue has entered a most crucial state, he informed the Greek Cypriots, and we now need to take serious and courageous initiatives in order to overcome the stalemate, the solution sought must be now one within the framework of the feasible, rather than the desirable, and thus I appeal to you to renew my mandate in the coming presidential elections, because I cannot pursue the desirable any longer. I place myself to the judgment of the Greek Cypriot people in order to pursue the feasible.

The above proves beyond doubt that Makarios never took his signature of 1959 seriously and that from day one he became a fanatic adversary of independent Cyprus. He worked ceaselessly for the annulment of the agreements he signed in order to bring in enosis from the back door.

I wonder for how long we will still continue to blame everybody else for our predicament when the answers are staring us in the face.

At this point in history there is absolutely no doubt that he has lied about his acceptance of the international agreements that gave birth to the RoC and dishonored his signature therein. Unfortunately the GC side still holds the TC side responsible for things going wrong when it was the GC leader, the captain of the RoC himself, who wanted to destroy the very fabric of the RoC. Today we are still blamed and punished for resisting to what he had in mind for us... without further comment:

"I returned to Cyprus and reported to Makarios on my talks in Athens. I asked if, after assurances given by Papadhopoulos, he would agree for article 185 of the 1960 Constitution, which prohibited both ENOSIS and partition, to be incorporated in the new constitution. He raised his arms, which were resting on his desk and said: "You see, Glafcos, these hands, they can cut them off, but I will NOT sign again any Constitution excluding ENOSIS."

From "My Deposition" by Glafcos Clerides
(Alithia Publishing, 1990, Volume III, p. 270)

[Oracle]

On January 11, in 1968, Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots and in his speech he declared the ending of the policy of the desirable (union with Greece) and he spoke of a new drive, this time for the feasible. Since the Cyprus issue has entered a most crucial state, he informed the Greek Cypriots, and we now need to take serious and courageous initiatives in order to overcome the stalemate, the solution sought must be now one within the framework of the feasible, rather than the desirable, and thus I appeal to you to renew my mandate in the coming presidential elections, because I cannot pursue the desirable any longer. I place myself to the judgment of the Greek Cypriot people in order to pursue the feasible.

It was not Enosis he was seeking as the "desirable"! It was the amendments to the Constitution to make it fairer. That is what was "desirable" and what he aimed for ... not Enosis!

He put the amendments to one side to tempt the TCs back into government ... which partially worked.

The above proves beyond doubt that Makarios never took his signature of 1959 seriously and that from day one he became a fanatic adversary of independent Cyprus. He worked ceaselessly for the annulment of the agreements he signed in order to bring in enosis from the back door.

You wish! Just to justify your TC friends.

You have no evidence for what you put into Makarios' mouth but the propaganda of the divisive Turks!

I wonder for how long we will still continue to blame everybody else for our predicament when the answers are staring us in the face.

I wonder how long it would take you to stop dreaming up excuses for Turkey!

[Oracle]

... On January 11, in 1968, Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots and in his speech he declared the ending of the policy of the desirable (union with Greece) ....

Still can't find anything which states clearly that he was referring to "Enosis", as you quote.

But, I did find this:

Security Council 3 Jan 1968 (S/8323)

16. ... on the subject of the decision by the Turkish Cypriot leadership to establish a "provisional Cyprus Turkish administration". The use of the term "Turkish Cypriot Administration" which was noted in the last report (S/106UU, para.17) continues to be common practice amongst Turkish Cypriots.

So, although I cannot find anything about Makarios still nurturing a "desirable" solution for Enosis; I did instead find that your TC friends were busy organising their partition; so you must be happy!

[Gabira]

I hope Makarious is still frying and squealing in hell for the pain and damage he has caused all Cypriots

[insan]

On January 11, in 1968, Makarios addressed the Greek Cypriots and in his speech he declared the ending of the policy of the desirable (union with Greece) and he spoke of a new drive, this time for the feasible. Since the Cyprus issue has entered a most crucial state, he informed the Greek Cypriots, and we now need to take serious and courageous initiatives in order to overcome the stalemate, the solution sought must be now one within the framework of the feasible, rather than the desirable, and thus I appeal to you to renew my mandate in the coming presidential elections, because I cannot pursue the desirable any longer. I place myself to the judgment of the Greek Cypriot people in order to pursue the feasible.

It was not Enosis he was seeking as the "desirable"! It was the amendments to the Constitution to make it fairer. That is what was "desirable" and what he aimed for ... not Enosis!

He put the amendments to one side to tempt the TCs back into government ... which partially worked.

The above proves beyond doubt that Makarios never took his signature of 1959 seriously and that from day one he became a fanatic adversary of independent Cyprus. He worked ceaselessly for the annulment of the agreements he signed in order to bring in enosis from the back door.

You wish! Just to justify your TC friends.

You have no evidence for what you put into Makarios' mouth but the propaganda of the divisive Turks!

I wonder for how long we will still continue to blame everybody else for our predicament when the answers are staring us in the face.

I wonder how long it would take you to stop dreaming up excuses for Turkey!

Where is ur evidence, O. I've told u many times that illiteracy kills and u couldn't hide the truths...

Makarios' 13 points were negotiated between Klerides and Denktash from 1968 to 1971... when talks between Klerides and Denktash failed; continued between Greece and Turkey from 1971 to 1974...

It is not something to be embarassed admiting that overwhelming majority of GCs with a great Turco-Phobia in their heads were desiring Enosis with Greece in hope of a better future...

See? I justified the Enosis demand of GC community without any fear of anything... however, justifying the Enosis demand of GC community doesn't lead me to put all the blame of tragic events of our history on TC community...

When i dialectically evaluate the issue, i also justify the counter movement of TCs that is/was Taksim or a united Cyprus politically based on a model of consociational democracy suitable to 2 communities...