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[Murtaza]

You should care, If we enter EU, It will give a lot political and economical power.
Army is not everything. If price is acceptable, we should enter. But we should sure, we will enter EU, before paying price.

my dear friend and brother we dont say we shouldnt enter EU. but if we want and make all conditions, they dont take us to EU. i want to enter too but look our history they everytime play both ends against the middle. ok?


and u say army is not everything. i dont approve u for ur this opinion.
yes army is everything. if we dont have strong army we and our country can not be alive at middle-east. why EU want to turkey that draw ur army back from cyprus? they will play same game at cyprus like girit(kriti). first time draw back army and cyprus army will get strong by greek army after rekill cyprus turks.

saygilamrimla...

Well, Why do you think army is everything? how big army of GC or Armenians? but lets accept they are realy giving a good headache.

And I dont think cyprus will be girit.times changed.

Army without political and economical power means nothing.

We should make our politics acording to our benefits, not acording to our past or our nationalis ideas.

And more and more important thing is our people, They are poor. If price is acceptable, we should pay the price.


but if we want and make all conditions

The condition they want is also help to our people! What they want is not always bad for Turkey.

[theg]

You should care, If we enter EU, It will give a lot political and economical power.
Army is not everything. If price is acceptable, we should enter. But we should sure, we will enter EU, before paying price.

my dear friend and brother we dont say we shouldnt enter EU. but if we want and make all conditions, they dont take us to EU. i want to enter too but look our history they everytime play both ends against the middle. ok?


and u say army is not everything. i dont approve u for ur this opinion.
yes army is everything. if we dont have strong army we and our country can not be alive at middle-east. why EU want to turkey that draw ur army back from cyprus? they will play same game at cyprus like girit(kriti). first time draw back army and cyprus army will get strong by greek army after rekill cyprus turks.

saygilamrimla...

Well, Why do you think army is everything? how big army of GC or Armenians? but lets accept they are realy giving a good headache.

And I dont think cyprus will be girit.times changed.

Army without political and economical power means nothing.

We should make our politics acording to our benefits, not acording to our past or our nationalis ideas.

And more and more important thing is our people, They are poor. If price is acceptable, we should pay the price.


but if we want and make all conditions

The condition they want is also help to our people! What they want is not always bad for Turkey.

i say everytime army is everytime everything. if we have got strong army we can make oneself listened to our political and ecomomic (muhattap). yes gc and armenian dont have a big army but russia defends armenia and gs is defended by us uk eu gr ok?


u said time changed but i want to say u a turkish idiom'' tarih tekerrürden ibarettir.'' time can change but national idea wont change anytime. dont forget gc want to enosis today like yesterday like before 1974 . if we didnt have a big army kibris could be girit.


ok economic and political power is important everytime i know this. but if u dont have army power u lose this powers.like(ottoman) power create power.


if we dont draw our future direction national and religional idea, we can be manipuled.'' hedefi olmayan gemiye rüzgar yardim etmez.'' u can understand my nice brother.

we are poor but we should understand eu wont make us rich. if we want to be rich we should operate our inside dynamics. they never help us. can u say me a specimen that their help.''bugun bize para veren yarın emirde verir.''

ook


regards

[Murtaza]

So what we should do? Increase fund to our military? How will this make us rich?

And we are not a Gemi, we are going no where, we should live at our country. So we dont need ruzgar.

Ottomans had military power, so what happened to them?

Do you understand my brother?


u said time changed but i want to say u a turkish idiom'' tarih tekerrürden ibarettir.'' time can change but national idea wont change anytime

What stupidness, Nationalist idea borned not much before(It is not nature of human), So It can be changed too.

And I think It should change, There is not any different between A turk or a greek. So why should Turkish benefits becomes more important than greek.Or verse.

i say everytime army is everytime everything. if we have got strong army we can make oneself listened to our political and ecomomic (muhattap). yes gc and armenian dont have a big army but russia defends armenia and gs is defended by us uk eu gr ok?

Are you sure? So ask gc If they feeld UK and US protection. Maybe you should read much my nice brother.

[Turkey (( *]

Murtaza, you are taking the idi0oms literally and you KNOW that!! You are suppose to analyze it, I know you can and do understand these idioms...As for the army, army IS important but to make it MORE powerful you need economical and political power!! Let me give you a recent example of the importance of the army. When we were trying to catch Ocalan, we decided to use our last resort which was the army!! We threatened to open a war against Syria if they wouldn't throw Ocalan out of their country. The US didn't want a war or dispute in the area for the sake of their plans so they backed us up. The US knew that we would start something in the region. That is the importance of a strong army!! But I am not denying that you need economical and political power to make your country more powerful and I am sure this is what theg meant!!

[Murtaza]

So what?
We captured Ocalan, we are feeding him, and he is still ruling PKK. But this time,he dont have to fear for his life.

A strong army is important, but is just one of the tool.

If we had a better economy, PKK would not rise.

[Turkey (( *]

Yes, I agree we are feeding him and should have killed him when we got him but that is called politics. Di.kheads in the parliament feed him not the people of Turkish Republic!! And PKK would rise anyway, what terrorists didn't hit US or UK!!! They have great economies!!There are terrorists who rise in Saudi Arabia or in rich Arab countries!!

[theg]

So what we should do? Increase fund to our military? How will this make us rich?

*man i want to say if we want to be alive we should have a strong army. if we are not people like iraq this is for our strong army. man dont live in dreamland now our country is in middle-east region. power is everyting is at our region. yes if we can incrase fund to our military but now our possibilty is restrictive.

And we are not a Gemi, we are going no where, we should live at our country. So we dont need ruzgar.

man ''teşbihte hata olmaz'' if u can not understan i dont say u anything. i think ur capasity is not enough.

Ottomans had military power, so what happened to them?

man i said ottomans last years. not first years. yes ottoman had a big military for this we have anatolian we have istanbul we can live this heaven region.but ottoman last time ottoman army cant renew and it ends.

Do you understand my brother

yes i can understand u but u can understand me?

What stupidness, Nationalist idea borned not much before(It is not nature of human), So It can be changed too.

man first time i have not said ur idea 'stupidness' pls dont talk with me like this nonsense. we talked about girit. nationalism borned before girit mezalimi. ok pls dont make crookeed my words.

And I think It should change, There is not any different between A turk or a greek. So why should Turkish benefits becomes more important than greek.Or verse.

yes for turkish greeks kurds arabs americans jews is not different from turks but ask a greek or others ''are turks beetween with u?'' i sure they lough u(hemde arkasından güler)

man this nonsense discussion should finish because ur gc gr friends lough us.



regards

[Turkey (( *]

theg I perfectly understand what you are saying! Murtaza is a very capable person, but I really think he just doesn't want to understand what we are trying to tell him.I agree with your views...

[Murtaza]

Reality, we didnt fight at last 80 year.
Except cyprus, uh and for It we dont need a big army.

For PKK, Money will stop it, not army.
You should learn this after 30 000 death.
Army is a necesity, but we have more much thing than army.


yes for turkish greeks kurds arabs americans jews is not different from turks but ask a greek or others ''are turks beetween with u?'' i sure they lough u(hemde arkasından güler)

By the way, I dont care what greeks are thinking, Important thing is what I think. Do you think I should decide what is true acording to greeks? Nonsense.

and Yes, realy a nonsense discussion.

[Turkey (( *]

What the heck Murtaza!!Money will stop PKK???!!! You want to give the Turkish tax payers' money to PKK or what???