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[Expatkiwi]

Don't stop till you get enough.
Every Cypriot should be consulted.
No stone left unturned.
Kleptomania cannot be tolerated.
Twenty first century thinking please.
All for one and one for all.
She sells seashells on the seashore.
History must not be repeated.
Single vote for single Cypriots.

Pardon is better than partition.
Only Cypriots can decide.
One Cypriot nation please.
Danger lies in undemocratic principles.
Light a candle for unity.
Extraneous elements must be removed.
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Nothing I say will really satisfy you in this regard, will it, Talisker?
Oracle is still hostile, as well as B25 and Boomerang.

If reunification is not possible, what other choices are there?
'Tis a hard choice that all Cypriots must make.
Maybe also the EU and UN.

Necessary for choices to be made though.
Or the status quo will pereptuate.
Try thinking outside the box, that's my advice.

[Talisker]

Don't stop till you get enough.
Every Cypriot should be consulted.
No stone left unturned.
Kleptomania cannot be tolerated.
Twenty first century thinking please.
All for one and one for all.
She sells seashells on the seashore.
History must not be repeated.
Single vote for single Cypriots.

Pardon is better than partition.
Only Cypriots can decide.
One Cypriot nation please.
Danger lies in undemocratic principles.
Light a candle for unity.
Extraneous elements must be removed.
?

Nothing I say will really satisfy you in this regard, will it, Talisker?
Oracle is still hostile, as well as B25 and Boomerang.

If reunification is not possible, what other choices are there?
'Tis a hard choice that all Cypriots must make.
Maybe also the EU and UN.

Necessary for choices to be made though.
Or the status quo will pereptuate.
Try thinking outside the box, that's my advice.

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Thanks

[Talisker]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

An excellent response.

[EPSILON]

I thought it best to start a new thread here so that my thoughts could be better discussed. I had written earlier about how I would see a unitary Cyprus created if partition was abandoned as a possibility by the north, and a partition plan if reunification was abandoned by the south:

Partition: In return for recognition of two Cypriot states:

1. Cession of TRNC territory to RoCy of Famagusta, Morphou, Lourojina Salient, Nicosia International Airport, and south coastal area of Karpass peninisula in order to bring TRNC territory to no more than 25% of the island area. RoCy to cede to TRNC strip of territory to join the Erenkoy exclave to TRNC.
2. Nicosia old city to be declared an open area for both countries. All TRNC and RoCy government facilities to be removed from the old city.
3. Removal of all Turkish and Greek Armed Forces and the UNICYP forces in Cyprus.
4. Cross-Accreditation of all embassies in Nicosia to both countries. Embassies of both Cypriot states to be located inside the Old City.
5. Total cession of all former TC-owned lands south of the border to RoCy, with equivilent amount of former GC-owned lands north of the border ceded to TRNC, with the remainder compenated to the RoCy by the TRNC.
6. No Cypriot country to be annexed - or to annex itself - to any other country, except with each other upon mutual agreement.
7. Free Trade between both countries and unrestricted movement between both countries by their citizens. Euro to be common currency of both countries.
8. No objection by RoCy to TRNC membership in international organizations.
9. TRNC to rename itself "Republic of North Cyprus" in order not to imply association with any other country.


Unitary State option: in return for TRNC to dissolve itself:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives seats based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate (upper house) based on community makeup. All four major indigenous Cypriot communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators (four), with two senators elected by non-indiginous Cypriots.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any secession or annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices against any Cypriot community.
8. Encouragement of English as the Lingua Franca (rather than Greek or Turkish) by the government in order not to show any community favoritism. This does not however imply removing the official use of Greek or Turkish by the citizens.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted. All Cypriots must renounce any other nationality.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.
13. Majority of Turkish Settlers (post 1975 migration) to be repatriated. Remaining settlers allowed on basis of (a) marriage to a Cypriot citizen, (b) Having offspring born in Cyprus, (c) renounciation of Turkish citizenship.
14. Current Treaty of Guarantee - Powers enjoyed by UK, Greece, and Turkey to intervene - overhauled with the EU assuming interventionist powers if situation on Cyprus warrants it.
15. Political parties - Those that espouse philosophies of ethnic nationalism, enosis, or taksim to be banned.
16. Seperation of Church and State. In particular, the Greek Orthrodox Church not to interfere in or influence matters of governence of Cyprus. Also, No immunity from prosecution for any clergy - of any religion - that espouses hatred against any community, or the government, and the governement not to favor one religion over another.

Your views on both, please.

My friend , do not ask so difficult questions to G/cs.!!!Do you know why? because none of us knows what we want.!!!There is a reason for this.!!!What all of us exaclty want ,can be achieved only by the power of arms. And...this we do no have. You are therefore asking questions which can not be -honestly-replied.

[Viewpoint]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

An excellent response.

Thank you...get ready for partition.

[Talisker]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

An excellent response.

Thank you...get ready for partition.

Your sense of humour is matched only by your political foresight.

[EPSILON]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

Neither partition , neither "TRNC" or even union with Turkey will save you from history's justice.You are just a nation of loosers of history and this can not be changed-particulrly in our -modern times!!

n excellent response.

Thank you...get ready for partition.

There is only one way for all of you-to accept the stau of minority in a European country -otherwise the justice for you will be very hard-it happen again -Stop playing against Europe's wishes- You are always loosing the game!!!!

[Viewpoint]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

An excellent response.

Thank you...get ready for partition.

Your sense of humour is matched only by your political foresight.

Thank you yet again you are being so kind, I do enjoy a great sense of humour and political foresight.

[Viewpoint]

Only the good die young.
Reality bites from time to time.

In the end right will prevail.
Sometimes barriers must be broken.

Heavenly intervention might make the difference.
Every picture tells a story.

Journeys can as important as reaching the destination.
Unless you open your eyes you will never see.
Strip away your fears.
Tangible effort leads to tangible reward.

Aphrodite's beguilement will overcome.

Wish for the best and it will happen.
After the goldrush comes the stampede.
No hope for no hopers.
Keep troubling neighbours away.
End of time is a long way off.
Read carefully and you will understand.
?

If forced agreement on partition prevails will that be right?

Neither partition , neither "TRNC" or even union with Turkey will save you from history's justice.You are just a nation of loosers of history and this can not be changed-particulrly in our -modern times!!

n excellent response.

Thank you...get ready for partition.

There is only one way for all of you-to accept the stau of minority in a European country -otherwise the justice for you will be very hard-it happen again -Stop playing against Europe's wishes- You are always loosing the game!!!!

When? 36 years and counting.....tick tock.

[Expatkiwi]

Reveal
Openly
Vital
Evidence

Immediately
Thanks

Just before the Annan Plan went to the vote, I had written to R. Denktash. I had suggested to him that the plan may be the best that could happen under the circumstances. In order to underline tihs feeling, I added the famous 1899 quote from President Steyn of the Orange Free State on the eve of the Anglo-Boer War when the UK kept pushing the OFS for more concessions: "I would rather lose the independence of the Free State with honor than retain it with dishonor".