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Is PKK terorist or guerialla?

Terorist
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Guerilla
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Postby cannedmoose » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:10 pm

Piratis wrote:For me the worst terrorists are all those that have the power and they are using it to terrorize others in order to accept terms that are against democracy and human rights.

for example:
UK
USA
Turkey
Israel
etc.

The ones that respond with terror to this terror are also terrorists, but these ones are terrorists because they have no alternative.


On this one Piratis, we are largely in agreement. Plus, I hate the hypocrisy of political leaders who condemn terrorism, yet lead countries that have historically provided funding for the groups that now attack them.
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Re: Is PKK terorist or guerialla?

Postby 2fan » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:21 pm

detailer wrote:Whenever there is attck in Turkey, the western media names PKK as seperatists or guerillas instead of terrorist even if the attack targets civilians? Do you agree with that and why?



The old adage of one man's freedom fighter is the other man's terrorist is a bunch of bullshit.

A terrorist is a terrorist especially when they take the fight to innocent people.
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Re: Is PKK terorist or guerialla?

Postby cannedmoose » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:40 am

2fan wrote:The old adage of one man's freedom fighter is the other man's terrorist is a bunch of bullshit.

A terrorist is a terrorist especially when they take the fight to innocent people.


Sorry, but you've obviously swallowed the neo-con propaganda that FoxNews blasts out. We all abhor terrorism, but if you don't seek to understand what motivates it, you'll never 'defeat' it.
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Postby demetriou_74 » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:58 am

blowing up civilians terrorrist
blowing up occupying forces freedom fighters
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Re: Is PKK terorist or guerialla?

Postby 2fan » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:51 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
2fan wrote:The old adage of one man's freedom fighter is the other man's terrorist is a bunch of bullshit.

A terrorist is a terrorist especially when they take the fight to innocent people.


Sorry, but you've obviously swallowed the neo-con propaganda that FoxNews blasts out. We all abhor terrorism, but if you don't seek to understand what motivates it, you'll never 'defeat' it.


I tune into Fox News when I want to laugh. I'm quite capable of forming my own opinions. I'm positive that I have figured out what motivates terrorists-Real Estate. If anyone tries to tell me that terrorism is the only way sort out territorial claims is a certifiable lunatic. I happen to believe that non violent dissent is a much more human approach. Remember a skinny old man named Ghandi?

So if any of you buy the terrorist/freedom fighter crap you'll find a hypocrite staring at you in the mirror.

And just for everyone's information my political affiliation is neither Democrat or Republican. Im an Independent.
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Postby cannedmoose » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:10 am

It may be a more human approach, I agree, and if all struggles were carried out in a Gandi-esque style, the world would be a far happier place. However, terrorism/freedom fighting has worked in the past and will continue to work in the future. Do you remember a certain place called Afghanistan, where in 1979 Soviet troops invaded and installed a puppet communist regime, to which the US government responded by flooding weapons into the country to aid the mujahaddin (then regarded as freedom fighters), and further helping by financing the establishment of religious madrassa schools in the northern areas of Pakistan to educate the Afghani refugees. Now, the products of this arming/education process are sprinkled amongst us and calming planning the best ways in which to execute westerners (and now because they're killing us rather than the nasty Soviets, we call them terrorists)

25 years later, we're reaping the benefits of arming and educating these freedom-fighters turned terrorists.
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Postby 2fan » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:34 pm

Moose,

I know you're away on vacation but perhaps you'll read this after you return.

My earlier post may have made me sound like some pacifist whimp. I do not completely oppose violence. However, violence should be the last resort after all political and diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. Moreover, violence should be aimed at military establishments and not toward innocent civilians. Presently, some minorities who have an axe to grind, namely kurds, plo, chechens, insurgents in iraq are resorting to terror when the political process has yet to run it's course.

After 1974,the element I very much admire between Greeks and Turks is the fact that they are willing to discuss and solve their problems diplomatically.

As far as the West is concerned, we must change our foreign policies toward the Middle East. We run our countries like Corporations. It seems that we are simply looking at the bottom line.

A factor that I didn't mention in my earlier assesment, besides real estate is one's economic lot in life. If the US and the Eu were to open up conusulates in the middle east and begin issuing worker visas to disenfranchised arabs, do you know how long the lines would be?

If the West, instead of investing billions into war would invest the money into factories in those nations, terrorism would have no place to go except away.

At the risk of annoying Brother,
2fan gets off his soap box and opens a cold Heineken. :wink:
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Postby DigenisAkritas » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:10 pm

Muslim double standards surfacing again..........

How can anyone worship a God like Allah? Read the Quran, it's pure evil. You can't be friends with unbelievers, you must strive against them harshly, you must work to establish Islamic States and the Shariah.... The List goes on.
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Postby DigenisAkritas » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:12 pm

cannedmoose wrote:It may be a more human approach, I agree, and if all struggles were carried out in a Gandi-esque style, the world would be a far happier place. However, terrorism/freedom fighting has worked in the past and will continue to work in the future. Do you remember a certain place called Afghanistan, where in 1979 Soviet troops invaded and installed a puppet communist regime, to which the US government responded by flooding weapons into the country to aid the mujahaddin (then regarded as freedom fighters), and further helping by financing the establishment of religious madrassa schools in the northern areas of Pakistan to educate the Afghani refugees. Now, the products of this arming/education process are sprinkled amongst us and calming planning the best ways in which to execute westerners (and now because they're killing us rather than the nasty Soviets, we call them terrorists)

25 years later, we're reaping the benefits of arming and educating these freedom-fighters turned terrorists.


Mosse, did you know that the US were funding the Islamic Muslims in Afghanistan 6 Months - 1 Year before the Soviet Invasion to effectively increase the chances of an armed coup, and what do you think was better, a Communist Secular Government or an Islamic State? I don't care what the people think, Muslim People (true Muslims) have this stupid idea of a Caliphate, and Shariah and a Caliph, we must strive against Islam before this becomes a reality.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:28 pm

I don't care what the people think, Muslim People (true Muslims)

It depends on what you mean by "true Muslims". If you mean those that are brainwashed and they believe whatever crap they put in their mind, then yes, they are dangerous, as much all other super religious people from all religions.
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