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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:55 pm

Jerry wrote:
miltiades wrote:How about me guys , lets all meet on the date !


Why not Milti, the more the merrier!


Milti - I'll pm my mobile number. It's going to be popular and space in the gallery is limited, first come, first served. We must be first in the queque. Suggest meet outside main entrance in the Strand, 9 -9.15???

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Take notice that on TUESDAY, 19 JANUARY, 2010 in COURT 72, at 10 O'CLOCK, Judgment will be given in the following.

APPEAL
From The Queen's Bench Division
FINAL DECISIONS
A2/2006/2114 Orams & Anr -v- Apostolides
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Postby Jerry » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:28 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Jerry wrote:
miltiades wrote:How about me guys , lets all meet on the date !


Why not Milti, the more the merrier!


Milti - I'll pm my mobile number. It's going to be popular and space in the gallery is limited, first come, first served. We must be first in the queque. Suggest meet outside main entrance in the Strand, 9 -9.15???

NOTICE
Take notice that on TUESDAY, 19 JANUARY, 2010 in COURT 72, at 10 O'CLOCK, Judgment will be given in the following.

APPEAL
From The Queen's Bench Division
FINAL DECISIONS
A2/2006/2114 Orams & Anr -v- Apostolides


I have yet to check train times Bill, but I agree no later than 9.15 same place as before.
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:04 pm

Jerry wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Jerry wrote:
miltiades wrote:How about me guys , lets all meet on the date !


Why not Milti, the more the merrier!


Milti - I'll pm my mobile number. It's going to be popular and space in the gallery is limited, first come, first served. We must be first in the queque. Suggest meet outside main entrance in the Strand, 9 -9.15???

NOTICE
Take notice that on TUESDAY, 19 JANUARY, 2010 in COURT 72, at 10 O'CLOCK, Judgment will be given in the following.

APPEAL
From The Queen's Bench Division
FINAL DECISIONS
A2/2006/2114 Orams & Anr -v- Apostolides


I have yet to check train times Bill, but I agree no later than 9.15 same place as before.


Ok bro! I have your mobile no. .

Just reminded by the way .... from the last hearing, the parties were to be informed of the decision four (working) days before the public issuing of the judgment.

Mr A and the O's will already know the verdict!
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Postby miltiades » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:06 pm

OK guys , will call you and confirm .
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Postby CBBB » Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:48 am

UK court could re-refer Orams case to ECJ

MYSTERY surrounded the outcome of the Orams property dispute yesterday - despite a verdict having already been handed down to the Orams’ London-based legal team and lawyers representing dispossessed Greek Cypriot refugee Melitis Apostolides.

Apostolides’ Nicosia-based lawyer Constantis Candounas remained tight lipped yesterday, insisting he was sworn to secrecy by a British Appeals Court judge, and that divulgence of the result before next Tuesday’s scheduled publication could place him in contempt of court.

“You will hear the verdict on Tuesday,” Candounas told the Cyprus Mail yesterday, adding that there were only three possible outcomes. “Either we win, we lose, or further questions will be sent back to [the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in] Luxemburg”.

On the Turkish Cypriot side sources said that while they were yet to receive news of the verdict from the Orams legal team in London, they had received “a strong impression” the Oramses had lost the case.

The Orams case centres on British couple Linda and David Orams who purchased and built on a plot of land in Lapithos, which belongs to Greek Cypriot Melitis Apostolides.

Since 1974 Apostolides has not been able to return to his property. However, in 2004 Apostolides secured a ruling from the Nicosia District Court ordering the Oramses to demolish the house, vacate the land and pay back rent to Apostolides. But, because the ruling was not enforceable in the north, the Orams ignored it, prompting Apostolides’ lawyers to take the case to the British High court in London in the hope that an EU law could be enacted, thereby enabling the Nicosia ruling to be enforced in the UK.

Apostolides’ lawyers’ ultimate hope was that the court could order the confiscation of the Orams’ home in Sussex to pay compensation to Apostolides. However the UK’s High Court said that because EU law remained suspended in the north, pending reunification of the island, it could not enact EU law there. The British court then turned to the ECJ in Luxemburg for clarification, which, after deliberation, backed the Nicosia court’s decision in a landmark ruling.

The ECJ’s decision was delivered in April last year and since then the ball has been back in the British court. On Tuesday it will reveal its verdict.

Apostolides’ lawyer Candounas, however, yesterday give the impression the UK court had chosen not to commit itself, and would likely be re-referring the case to Luxemburg where he said he was hopeful his client would win the case “in the end”.

“It will be very unfortunate if the case is sent back to Luxemburg. This will mean a further delay of anything between 12 and 18 months,” he added.

Candounas said there were two possible reasons why the case could be re-referred to the ECJ. One was the Orams’ lawyers’ objection to a Greek presiding judge handling the case on the grounds that he was biased in favour of the Greek Cypriot plaintiff. The other was an issue brought up, not by the Orams’ lawyers but by the EU Commission, which claimed that international public policy would possibly be violated if the court ruled on Cyprus property disputes. According to the EU Commission, the international community has already come to the conclusion that Cyprus’ property dispute should be resolved, not in the law courts, but through negotiations between the leaders of the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities.

Nevertheless, Candounas insists the case, regardless of the verdict, will have little or no impact on negotiations between the two communities. He did however observe yesterday that Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat “will be crucified” if the Orams lose the case.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/uk-co ... j/20100116
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Postby YFred » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:17 pm

... And you guys still think that you will solve the Cyprus problem through the ECJ?
Will you ever learn.
Good luck to you negotiating with Eroglu for the next 10 million years.
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Postby paliometoxo » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:40 pm

its still going to be more costly for turkey for a non solution .. i personally would rather a non solution then see trnc recognised they will be worse off for it. whatever turkey does eventually we will re unite the land just as we have beaten all foreign invaders in the past we will now
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Postby Kurosivo » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:41 pm

The decision of the European court of justice I think is treated as compulsory precedent by the courts in UK. I suppose that the decision will be on the same line of the ECJ. In that respect Mr Apostolides will be granted the right for remedy.
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    Postby paliometoxo » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:54 pm

    YFred wrote:... And you guys still think that you will solve the Cyprus problem through the ECJ?
    Will you ever learn.
    Good luck to you negotiating with Eroglu for the next 10 million years.


    its not about solving the cy problem with taking people to court but the princible..

    if you where in their shoes you would be the same. unless you would be ok with being forced out of your home and the land sold to someone else?!?!? you would not care would you?!? you would say here take my land i dont care!
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    Postby Jerry » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:18 pm

    The plot thickens;-

    I assume it means Orams will cross appeal. This was not on Friday's notice so it must be something the defence have cooked up since they were given the judgment a few days ago. I suppose they (Orams) would only cross appeal if they knew they had lost the case.

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    COURT 72
    Before LORD JUSTICE PILL
    LORD JUSTICE LLOYD and
    SIR PAUL KENNEDY
    Tuesday, 19th January, 2010
    At 10 o'clock
    FOR JUDGMENT
    APPLICATION
    A2/2006/2114(B) Orams & Anr -v- Apostolides. Application of Appellant for permission to amend which includes an application for permission to cross appeal.

    APPEAL
    From The Queen's Bench Division
    FINAL DECISIONS
    A2/2006/2114 Orams & Anr -v- Apostolides. Appeal of Respondent from the order of Mr Justice Jack, dated 6th September 2006, filed 3rd October 2006
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