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[Expatkiwi]

I have been kicked of Wikimapia for being vindictive in placing an outline of a swastika on the Greek Embasy in Nicosia. It was a knee-jerk reaction to my landmark identifiers placed in North Nicosia being deleted off (and those were purely locational markers such as BRTK, Turkish Embassy, KHTY headquarters, etc).

You’re only telling half the story Expat-weewee… remember this?

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/journal ... 0#comments

Now what’s it gonna be? Are you going to come clean with the other sites as well or should I spill the beans for you?

Remember, I’m here to give you all the attention you’ll ever need!

The banning didn't take place. The picture in question was simply removed. I overreacted as - to my mind - people with far racier pictures post on DA, and my stuff is rather tame by comparison, so why single me out? People can see what I do at http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com so I have nothing to hide with my "big-boob cartooning"... In any case, this site has nothing to do with the Cyprus Problem.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes, I was told that a lot of former TC land in the south was lost to them after December 1963. That's why the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. So it seemed to me that "okay, if the Greek Cypriots are taking advantage of the stolen land in the south, then it's only fair to play tit-for-tat in the north". After all, I have no sympathy for bullies who get a taste of their own medicine.

First of all you seem to have a fixation on the issue of bullies.Of course nobody likes the bullies and of course everybody sides with the weak.
The question is who is the bullie in a conflict that consisted of a series of events. In the Cyprus problem we had the conflict of the 1955-60 period, the 1963 events, and the 1974. Some people in this forum e.g Piratis think the conflict started be the time the Turks came here in the 16th century. So first: who were the bullies in each of those periods, and why should anyone side with a victim who later became a bullie. It's like telling me you should side with the Israelis today because they were bullied in the past.

Anyhow: You took the events of 1963. Do you know who started it? Nobody knows. The fact is from 1960 (date of establishment of the Republic of Cyprus) up until 1962 the GCs were totally armless whereas the TCs were importing shiploads of arms from Turkey. This is a FACT. You can find more facts in the Cyprus Conflict web side which btw is considered rather biased in favor of the TCs. After 1962 the GCs started their own arm race (in response to what-tell me) and by the end of 1963 each side was READY. The readiness of BOTH sides can be verified on the how quickly the TCs got controll of all the area from Nicosia to the top of the mountains in the North, and the almost instant appearance of Samson a GC fanatic who started slaughtering innocent TCs in the suburb of Kuchuk Kaimakli

You said the TCs lost a "lot" of property in 1963. First of all the term "they lost property" is not correct.Yes a number of them have been forced to abandon their properties but nobody else got any title deed for them.The way the British established the lands department is impossible to transfer ownership without the physical presense and signing of the owner. Official Land ownership percentages DID NOT change bacause of that. In fact the ownership of those who were forced to abandon their properties in 1963 is valid until today.Be informed that a lot of TCs still hold their RoC titles deed papers until TODAY and they know very well their value.
Hence the correct term you should have uses is "they were forced to abandon their properties". So how many properties were they?From my memory it was a couple of villages. Do you know however that the GCs were also kicked out of 2 suburbs of Nicosia in that same period? Namely Trachonas and Omorfita? Still however neither the GCs lost the ownership of their properties.


Furthermore what do you mean "the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. "? First of all you are totally wrong on the fact that abandoning ones properties meant also transfering the deed to someone else.(see above)
The Cyprus Republic was never the TRashNCan where you can steal someone elses property by collecting points from the Turkish army.
The privately owned lands were always an almost exact match of the population percentage both before and after 1963 in fact ever since the lands registry was established by the British in 1950. For the TCs it was 12.3 (18% of the population) and for the GC some 60% (82% of the population). In addition to that the Efkaf (TC relegious foundation) had some percentage.I don't remember how much was that, perhaps something between 1-3%. All these figures were at the Lands Registry Department which was created by the BRITISH in 1950.It was NOT created by the GCs.The percentages remained the same until 1974, in fact the Lands registry books for all the occupied part of Cyprus are until TODAY in the hands of the TCs. Why don't they publish them to prove their claims?

Total crap...how many TCs were made refugess in 1963 and how many TC villages were emptied go find out the truth you know shit all.

No you tell me. And be careful to concentrate on the events immediately after 1963 and not how slowly your TMT forced so many people until the end of 1964 to pack and go into the enclaves they have already prepared from as as early as 1960.

[Get Real!]

I have been kicked of Wikimapia for being vindictive in placing an outline of a swastika on the Greek Embasy in Nicosia. It was a knee-jerk reaction to my landmark identifiers placed in North Nicosia being deleted off (and those were purely locational markers such as BRTK, Turkish Embassy, KHTY headquarters, etc).

You’re only telling half the story Expat-weewee… remember this?

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/journal ... 0#comments

Now what’s it gonna be? Are you going to come clean with the other sites as well or should I spill the beans for you?

Remember, I’m here to give you all the attention you’ll ever need!

The banning didn't take place. The picture in question was simply removed. I overreacted as - to my mind - people with far racier pictures post on DA, and my stuff is rather tame by comparison, so why single me out? People can see what I do at http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com so I have nothing to hide with my "big-boob cartooning"... In any case, this site has nothing to do with the Cyprus Problem.

And the other sites Point dexter?

[Nikitas]

Don't people adopt a funny stance after riding a bicycle with no saddle?

[Viewpoint]

Yes, I was told that a lot of former TC land in the south was lost to them after December 1963. That's why the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. So it seemed to me that "okay, if the Greek Cypriots are taking advantage of the stolen land in the south, then it's only fair to play tit-for-tat in the north". After all, I have no sympathy for bullies who get a taste of their own medicine.

First of all you seem to have a fixation on the issue of bullies.Of course nobody likes the bullies and of course everybody sides with the weak.
The question is who is the bullie in a conflict that consisted of a series of events. In the Cyprus problem we had the conflict of the 1955-60 period, the 1963 events, and the 1974. Some people in this forum e.g Piratis think the conflict started be the time the Turks came here in the 16th century. So first: who were the bullies in each of those periods, and why should anyone side with a victim who later became a bullie. It's like telling me you should side with the Israelis today because they were bullied in the past.

Anyhow: You took the events of 1963. Do you know who started it? Nobody knows. The fact is from 1960 (date of establishment of the Republic of Cyprus) up until 1962 the GCs were totally armless whereas the TCs were importing shiploads of arms from Turkey. This is a FACT. You can find more facts in the Cyprus Conflict web side which btw is considered rather biased in favor of the TCs. After 1962 the GCs started their own arm race (in response to what-tell me) and by the end of 1963 each side was READY. The readiness of BOTH sides can be verified on the how quickly the TCs got controll of all the area from Nicosia to the top of the mountains in the North, and the almost instant appearance of Samson a GC fanatic who started slaughtering innocent TCs in the suburb of Kuchuk Kaimakli

You said the TCs lost a "lot" of property in 1963. First of all the term "they lost property" is not correct.Yes a number of them have been forced to abandon their properties but nobody else got any title deed for them.The way the British established the lands department is impossible to transfer ownership without the physical presense and signing of the owner. Official Land ownership percentages DID NOT change bacause of that. In fact the ownership of those who were forced to abandon their properties in 1963 is valid until today.Be informed that a lot of TCs still hold their RoC titles deed papers until TODAY and they know very well their value.
Hence the correct term you should have uses is "they were forced to abandon their properties". So how many properties were they?From my memory it was a couple of villages. Do you know however that the GCs were also kicked out of 2 suburbs of Nicosia in that same period? Namely Trachonas and Omorfita? Still however neither the GCs lost the ownership of their properties.


Furthermore what do you mean "the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. "? First of all you are totally wrong on the fact that abandoning ones properties meant also transfering the deed to someone else.(see above)
The Cyprus Republic was never the TRashNCan where you can steal someone elses property by collecting points from the Turkish army.
The privately owned lands were always an almost exact match of the population percentage both before and after 1963 in fact ever since the lands registry was established by the British in 1950. For the TCs it was 12.3 (18% of the population) and for the GC some 60% (82% of the population). In addition to that the Efkaf (TC relegious foundation) had some percentage.I don't remember how much was that, perhaps something between 1-3%. All these figures were at the Lands Registry Department which was created by the BRITISH in 1950.It was NOT created by the GCs.The percentages remained the same until 1974, in fact the Lands registry books for all the occupied part of Cyprus are until TODAY in the hands of the TCs. Why don't they publish them to prove their claims?

Total crap...how many TCs were made refugess in 1963 and how many TC villages were emptied go find out the truth you know shit all.

No you tell me. And be careful to concentrate on the events immediately after 1963 and not how slowly your TMT forced so many people until the end of 1964 to pack and go into the enclaves they have already prepared from as as early as 1960.

Go do some reasearch you lazy git or ask Birkıbrıslı who lived through it, what ever I say you wont believe anyway.

[Pyrpolizer]

And to save some time on the not knowng anything shit called Viewpoint:

1963 Dec 21, intercommunal violence explodes. Truce force set up with British troops, Greek & Turkish liaison officers. Ceasefire after Turkish jets buzzed Nicosia. Casualties in first ten days (known dead & missing presumed dead): TCs, 136, GCs 30.

That dear VP constituted the massacre of 1963, otherwise called the bloody Christmas or KanliNoel.

Taken from the cyprus conflit web site.

It is true that in 1964 many thousands of TCs moved into enclaves the reason however is not clear, as the Bloody Christmas events ended within 10 days! Her's what the Cyprus Conflict web side says

" One of the most contentious historical issues between the two groups is to what extent the Turkish Cypriot migration of 1963-64 was forced by Greek Cypriot threats and violence, and how much the migration was "ordered" by the TMT, or Turkey itself. The distinction is important. Turkish Cypriots claim they were victims of ethnic cleansing, forced to live in impoverished and isolated enclaves, and subjected to years of harassment and petty violence. To them, the current division of the island actually was initiated in 1963 by the Greek Cypriot extremists---EOKA and its followers---and endorsed by the Makarios government. The Greek Cypriot view is that the events of December 21-24 constituted a "mutiny" against the state, followed by a planned evacuation to Turkish-Cypriot areas as a way to argue for and lay the legal groundwork for partition.
There does not seem to be a conclusive answer to this question. Some planning by the TMT for such a scenario was implemented, "

Now compare the above to the following as appeared in the past in Denktash's web page:

The result of the 1963-1964 Greek Cypriot attacks had been the destruction of 103 Turkish villages and over a thousand houses and shops. Over 25,000 Turkish Cypriots, almost one fourth of the total Turkish Cypriot people were uprooted from their homes and had become refugees.

1000 houses in 103 villages huh So each TC village had 10 houses! very interesting.


NB. Unfortunately none of the web pages mentioned above seems to work.
Does anybody know if the Web page of the Cyprus-conflict still works?

All the above were copied from saved web pages data on my PC

[Expatkiwi]

I have been kicked of Wikimapia for being vindictive in placing an outline of a swastika on the Greek Embasy in Nicosia. It was a knee-jerk reaction to my landmark identifiers placed in North Nicosia being deleted off (and those were purely locational markers such as BRTK, Turkish Embassy, KHTY headquarters, etc).

You’re only telling half the story Expat-weewee… remember this?

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/journal ... 0#comments

Now what’s it gonna be? Are you going to come clean with the other sites as well or should I spill the beans for you?

Remember, I’m here to give you all the attention you’ll ever need!

The banning didn't take place. The picture in question was simply removed. I overreacted as - to my mind - people with far racier pictures post on DA, and my stuff is rather tame by comparison, so why single me out? People can see what I do at http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com so I have nothing to hide with my "big-boob cartooning"... In any case, this site has nothing to do with the Cyprus Problem.

And the other sites Point dexter?

Tell me and we'll both know.

[Viewpoint]

And to save some time on the not knowng anything shit called Viewpoint:

1963 Dec 21, intercommunal violence explodes. Truce force set up with British troops, Greek & Turkish liaison officers. Ceasefire after Turkish jets buzzed Nicosia. Casualties in first ten days (known dead & missing presumed dead): TCs, 136, GCs 30.

That dear VP constituted the massacre of 1963, otherwise called the bloody Christmas or KanliNoel.

Taken from the cyprus conflit web site.

We are talking TC refugees and emptied TC villages.

[Pyrpolizer]

Expat,

Why don't you explain people in here how exactly you placed landmarks of the BRTK and the Turkish Embassy on satelite or hybrid maps of a place you presumably never visited. Who gave you the coordinates?

Wikimapia is a public map forum where locations can be highlighted by zooming in on an area from a master map. When I first looked at Cyprus a few years ago, I was quite shocked by the dearth of landmark postings north of the Green line. I put some on, but a day or two later, they had been deleted. At that time, I had not made that many landmark postings, so my posts had a time period before they became "official". Some Wikimapia members who didn't like my posting markers on North Cyprus landmarks were behind this, and only after my number of overall postings hit a threshhold did my subsequent re-postings of North Cyprus landmarks remain. Then came some nasty comments on those postings, which is why I retaliated with the swastika.

I know very well how to put landmarks. I asked you to explain the procedure on how YOU did it. To make a long story short there are ONLY 2 ways to put landmarks:

a) You know the place very well and you can recognise it on a satelite map hence you go directly there you highlight the area and you put your lndmark
b) You have the coordinates of the places you want to mark, you go to Google earth, you find the exact spot and then copy it on Wikimap because Wiki is actually a copy of Google but without the Coordinates fascility.So my question was WHO GAVE YOU THE COORDINATES?

What you described above falls under "a." But you said before that you 've never even visited Cyprus!!!

Something fishy goes on here...

NB. The above procedure is for places with no landmarks.
When THERE IS a landmark it just gets highlighted by itself. In fact I beleive this is the way you located the Greek embassy, right?

[T_C]

The Cyprus Conflict website has dissappeared...its such a shame because it was such a good source for unbiased information...