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[Pyrpolizer]

Expat as you can see everybody is wondering about you.
In my opinion you have not told the whole truth in this topic.

So out of courtesy I will ask YOU instead of GR to give us a list of the forums you participate/and or have been kicked from.
I want to check myself "why your stance is they way it is" by checking other forums.

Btw as a human to human I want to express my condolences for your lost son.

[Expatkiwi]

Expat as you can see everybody is wondering about you.
In my opinion you have not told the whole truth in this topic.

So out of courtesy I will ask YOU instead of GR to give us a list of the forums you participate/and or have been kicked from.
I want to check myself "why your stance is they way it is" by checking other forums.

Btw as a human to human I want to express my condolences for your lost son.

I appreciate your condolences.

I have been kicked of Wikimapia for being vindictive in placing an outline of a swastika on the Greek Embasy in Nicosia. It was a knee-jerk reaction to my landmark identifiers placed in North Nicosia being deleted off (and those were purely locational markers such as BRTK, Turkish Embassy, KHTY headquarters, etc).

Wikipedia I am still on, though I have not done all that many posts as of late.

Now, the first Turkish Cypriots I met ran the Turkish Fast Food outlet at the international food court at the bottom of Queen Street in Auckland. I had chatted to them while I waited for my kebabs about my poly-sci course and they were happy to give me more information about their homeland. This was around 1985. They contrated very markedly with the few Greek-Kiwis I sopke to about Cyprus. Unlike them, the TC's were polite, not pushy or threatening. That made me more receptive, and thus more sympathetic.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ok thanks.
Just one more clarification please: were the persons at Kiwi Greeks(from mainland Greece) or Greek Cypriots?

Have you ever met both TCs and GCs together at one place? How do you think they differ?

[Expatkiwi]

Ok thanks.
Just one more clarification please: were the persons at Kiwi Greeks(from mainland Greece) or Greek Cypriots?

Have you ever met both TCs and GCs together at one place? How do you think they differ?

All the ones I have met (with one exception) were from mainland Greece. The exception was from Crete. I have not had the "pleasure" of metting a GC and TC simultaneously. I didn't want to witness a mutual murder attempt....

[Malapapa]

Ok thanks.
Just one more clarification please: were the persons at Kiwi Greeks(from mainland Greece) or Greek Cypriots?

Have you ever met both TCs and GCs together at one place? How do you think they differ?

All the ones I have met (with one exception) were from mainland Greece. The exception was from Crete. I have not had the "pleasure" of metting a GC and TC simultaneously. I didn't want to witness a mutual murder attempt....

Here in the UK, where up to 200,000 reside, Cypriots of all backgrounds live, work and play together. I know three couples, one of each from either 'side', who have get married even. A TC (although he'd rather not qualify himself in this way) is one of my best friends. There certainly haven't been any murders, nor even attempted murders. You have no idea what you're talking about

[Viewpoint]

I've read the rest of your nonsense trying to explain as to the reasons why the way you are, which made you the way you are.! Well, Expat, I have another theory and I have already brought this partially to your attention few months ago if you remember.!

Reading your above quote, I think you have left something very important out, and that is the death of your young son in an auto crash in Arkansas, may he rest in peace. I believe you are blaming the GCs for your son's death, because your identity had been exposed a while back for posting fabricated information here on the forum from Wikipedia that favoured the TCs, which you yourself manufactured that fabrication on Wikipedia, which may have caused you to leave California prematurely, and if you hadn't, then your son may still be alive today. As a result, you may have spent too much time on the forum in trying to defend your position by those whom attacked you once you have moved to Arkansas, who were mainly the GCs, when you could have spent more time with your son in order to protect him, which once again, may still be alive today if you had.

So Expat, are you blaming your son's death on some of the forumers here, because I have noticed that you have become very fanatical in your support for the illegal north since your son's death. Are you sure you are just not taking "revenge" by supporting the north in such passion despite everything being wrong by the formation of the north, despite the biggest victims are in fact the people you say you care about, the TCs, who are in fact facing extinction by Turkey's actions. The only thing that will save the TCs is a unification with the south based on Democracy and Human Rights as equal citizens and not permanent partition. If the TCs are slowly disappearing in today's partition, just imagine what will happen to them if it were to become permanent, since they are now in the same numerical minority position as they were with the GCs as they are now with the Settlers. Once they lose their political power that they enjoy now in the “parliament”, because they have already lost their voting power, that will be the end of the TCs as we knew them once as Cypriots. Is this what you really support.??

Kikpau, I will thank you to keep my late son out of it! As for the reason for my family moving to Arkansas, it is certainly not what your theory implies.

How disgusting of him to even try and use that against you!

Pay no mind to him Expat...

How disgusting of you to capitalize on an issue that has already been dealt with between the 2 members involved (Expat and Kikapu)!

I know you have something personal against Kikapu, but I will kindly ask you to leave your issues out of this thread, otherwise you will just look very silly and immature!

No you are the scum bag for sticking up for someone who can stoop so low to use such a sensative issue against someone in trying to support the bullshit he churns out, its all GC arse licking and dont you guys love it, shame on you people. You should be condeming Kikapu for such a low life punch below the belt.

[Pyrpolizer]

Expat,

Why don't you explain people in here how exactly you placed landmarks of the BRTK and the Turkish Embassy on satelite or hybrid maps of a place you presumably never visited. Who gave you the coordinates?

[Viewpoint]

I've read the rest of your nonsense trying to explain as to the reasons why the way you are, which made you the way you are.! Well, Expat, I have another theory and I have already brought this partially to your attention few months ago if you remember.!

Reading your above quote, I think you have left something very important out, and that is the death of your young son in an auto crash in Arkansas, may he rest in peace. I believe you are blaming the GCs for your son's death, because your identity had been exposed a while back for posting fabricated information here on the forum from Wikipedia that favoured the TCs, which you yourself manufactured that fabrication on Wikipedia, which may have caused you to leave California prematurely, and if you hadn't, then your son may still be alive today. As a result, you may have spent too much time on the forum in trying to defend your position by those whom attacked you once you have moved to Arkansas, who were mainly the GCs, when you could have spent more time with your son in order to protect him, which once again, may still be alive today if you had.

So Expat, are you blaming your son's death on some of the forumers here, because I have noticed that you have become very fanatical in your support for the illegal north since your son's death. Are you sure you are just not taking "revenge" by supporting the north in such passion despite everything being wrong by the formation of the north, despite the biggest victims are in fact the people you say you care about, the TCs, who are in fact facing extinction by Turkey's actions. The only thing that will save the TCs is a unification with the south based on Democracy and Human Rights as equal citizens and not permanent partition. If the TCs are slowly disappearing in today's partition, just imagine what will happen to them if it were to become permanent, since they are now in the same numerical minority position as they were with the GCs as they are now with the Settlers. Once they lose their political power that they enjoy now in the “parliament”, because they have already lost their voting power, that will be the end of the TCs as we knew them once as Cypriots. Is this what you really support.??

Kikpau, I will thank you to keep my late son out of it! As for the reason for my family moving to Arkansas, it is certainly not what your theory implies.

I was only trying to connect the dots to your most unusual behaviour when it comes to Cyprus, so naturally, since you have opened your own thread to talk about your motives, I also felt it was appropriate to add my theory also. I believe I did not abuse your late son's death in any way and showed my respects for him while writing my post.!

You sick bastard.

[Viewpoint]

Yes, I was told that a lot of former TC land in the south was lost to them after December 1963. That's why the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. So it seemed to me that "okay, if the Greek Cypriots are taking advantage of the stolen land in the south, then it's only fair to play tit-for-tat in the north". After all, I have no sympathy for bullies who get a taste of their own medicine.

First of all you seem to have a fixation on the issue of bullies.Of course nobody likes the bullies and of course everybody sides with the weak.
The question is who is the bullie in a conflict that consisted of a series of events. In the Cyprus problem we had the conflict of the 1955-60 period, the 1963 events, and the 1974. Some people in this forum e.g Piratis think the conflict started be the time the Turks came here in the 16th century. So first: who were the bullies in each of those periods, and why should anyone side with a victim who later became a bullie. It's like telling me you should side with the Israelis today because they were bullied in the past.

Anyhow: You took the events of 1963. Do you know who started it? Nobody knows. The fact is from 1960 (date of establishment of the Republic of Cyprus) up until 1962 the GCs were totally armless whereas the TCs were importing shiploads of arms from Turkey. This is a FACT. You can find more facts in the Cyprus Conflict web side which btw is considered rather biased in favor of the TCs. After 1962 the GCs started their own arm race (in response to what-tell me) and by the end of 1963 each side was READY. The readiness of BOTH sides can be verified on the how quickly the TCs got controll of all the area from Nicosia to the top of the mountains in the North, and the almost instant appearance of Samson a GC fanatic who started slaughtering innocent TCs in the suburb of Kuchuk Kaimakli

You said the TCs lost a "lot" of property in 1963. First of all the term "they lost property" is not correct.Yes a number of them have been forced to abandon their properties but nobody else got any title deed for them.The way the British established the lands department is impossible to transfer ownership without the physical presense and signing of the owner. Official Land ownership percentages DID NOT change bacause of that. In fact the ownership of those who were forced to abandon their properties in 1963 is valid until today.Be informed that a lot of TCs still hold their RoC titles deed papers until TODAY and they know very well their value.
Hence the correct term you should have uses is "they were forced to abandon their properties". So how many properties were they?From my memory it was a couple of villages. Do you know however that the GCs were also kicked out of 2 suburbs of Nicosia in that same period? Namely Trachonas and Omorfita? Still however neither the GCs lost the ownership of their properties.


Furthermore what do you mean "the land percentages figure is listed as higher than the population percentaqge. "? First of all you are totally wrong on the fact that abandoning ones properties meant also transfering the deed to someone else.(see above)
The Cyprus Republic was never the TRashNCan where you can steal someone elses property by collecting points from the Turkish army.
The privately owned lands were always an almost exact match of the population percentage both before and after 1963 in fact ever since the lands registry was established by the British in 1950. For the TCs it was 12.3 (18% of the population) and for the GC some 60% (82% of the population). In addition to that the Efkaf (TC relegious foundation) had some percentage.I don't remember how much was that, perhaps something between 1-3%. All these figures were at the Lands Registry Department which was created by the BRITISH in 1950.It was NOT created by the GCs.The percentages remained the same until 1974, in fact the Lands registry books for all the occupied part of Cyprus are until TODAY in the hands of the TCs. Why don't they publish them to prove their claims?

Total crap...how many TCs were made refugess in 1963 and how many TC villages were emptied go find out the truth you know shit all.

[Viewpoint]

Ok thanks.
Just one more clarification please: were the persons at Kiwi Greeks(from mainland Greece) or Greek Cypriots?

Have you ever met both TCs and GCs together at one place? How do you think they differ?

All the ones I have met (with one exception) were from mainland Greece. The exception was from Crete. I have not had the "pleasure" of metting a GC and TC simultaneously. I didn't want to witness a mutual murder attempt....

Here in the UK, where up to 200,000 reside, Cypriots of all backgrounds live, work and play together. I know three couples, one of each from either 'side', who have get married even. A TC (although he'd rather not qualify himself in this way) is one of my best friends. There certainly haven't been any murders, nor even attempted murders. You have no idea what you're talking about

All they have to do is move to Cyprus north or south they will either divorce within 6 months or kill each other.