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[Expatkiwi]

Expat,

Because you are one of those foreigners who bought stolen GC property in the occupied. You lived there for some years, and you know the place well enough to be able to place landmarks on digital maps.You left before 2004, hence you never met any GCs. Most propably you still own stolen GC property there.

No, I don't own any property there. I do have Turkish Cypriot friends, and they have sent me some books and other interesting information on North Cyprus (including the TRNC flag which I now have in my study), but I own no other Cypriot assets, immovable or otherwise. You have my word on that.

[Kikapu]

Expat, you haven't quite got it yet, that a permanent partition of Cyprus will mean that the TCs will become extinct. Is this what you support or don't you care as long as you got some stolen GC property in the north. Lets stop with your bullshit that you care for the TCs, because if what becomes of the north in what you want, you are in fact trying to fuck the TCs in the ass.!

[Expatkiwi]

no one forces them to be in greece

True, but one can also say that no one forces the enclaved Greek Cypriots to be in TRNC... or are they forced to by the RoCy government?

Anyway, Greece has been taken to task by the EU a few times for religious and nationalist discrimination, but - like I said to a certain forumer earlier - that kind of thing is hardly unique to one country....

Still, Paliometoxo, despite my cynicism and lack of faith in inter-Cypriot reconciliation, maybe (just maybe) it can happen...

[Expatkiwi]

Expat, you haven't quite got it yet, that a permanent partition of Cyprus will mean that the TCs will become extinct. Is this what you support or don't you care as long as you got some stolen GC property in the north. Lets stop with your bullshit that you care for the TCs, because if what becomes of the north in what you want, you are in fact trying to fuck the TCs in the ass.!

Actually Kikapu, I agree. Permanent partition ON TURKISH TERMS would result in the TRNC becoming a Turkish province. That is something I would never support. Partition would have to be purely an inter-Cypriot negotiated matter. Kind of what I had proposed on another thread, though the GC readers rejected my plan as giving the TC's too much and the TC readers regarded it as giving the GC's too much! What you would call a non-starter...

I care about my friends in the TRNC as they are Turkish Cypriot and worry about Greek Cypriot retribution just as much as the current Anatolianization of their territory.

[Pyrpolizer]

Expat,

Because you are one of those foreigners who bought stolen GC property in the occupied. You lived there for some years, and you know the place well enough to be able to place landmarks on digital maps.You left before 2004, hence you never met any GCs. Most propably you still own stolen GC property there.

No, I don't own any property there. I do have Turkish Cypriot friends, and they have sent me some books and other interesting information on North Cyprus (including the TRNC flag which I now have in my study), but I own no other Cypriot assets, immovable or otherwise. You have my word on that.

Then Expat, I have no logical reasoning to explain your stance.
It must be something in your psyche, perhaps you need to identify with some people combined with your feelings for the bullies and your personal experiences on that.

Anyway feel free to support anything you like. The TCs are generally good people, but in my humble opinion they have been exploited for way too long by some of their leaders and certainly by Turkey itself. I have many TC friends in this forum and in real life here in Cyprus you know. I only dislike those who want partition.

I would advice you to take everything with a pinch of salt. What you so firmly beleive, and builted a dream upon might not be the real truth.
And what will you do if one day this is confirmed? Side with the Tutsi of Rwanda?

Besides, i don't think you have any real arguments regarding the Cyprob. Only cliches, and some superficial knowledge. You don't seem to even want to discuss or learn anything beyond that....

[yialousa1971]

Because your a fucking Turk!

[Viewpoint]

If they have to put up with people like you (who have no connection with Cyprus whatsoever) taunting them, then of course they are strident in their debate. As for GC interactions with TCs there is a variety of attitudes as one would expect, from friendly banter to heated debate, but very little which I would term as 'bullying'. Yes, they are intolerant of taunting and frustrations are bound to surface - after all, displaced GC forumers have to live with the thought that some of the TCs they are communicating with on this very forum may just be living in their (GC) own houses and eating the produce from their (GC) own fields, etc in the illegally occupied north.

However, you instigated this thread to explain your stance on the CyProb. Now that your 'reasons' have been shown to be ridiculous, or just plain wrong, are you going to change your views and position? Or do you prefer to continue to support illegal actions, and lack of democracy and human rights? I look forward to your evasion of these questions.

Okay, Talisker. I won't evade, but you're probably not going to like what I have to say in this reply. I looked upon the Turkish intervention and the aftermath as 'payback' for what the Turkish Cypriots suffered and had to live with since 1963. The analagy "When you steal from a thief, the one thing you don't do is call the cops" comes into play here. In short: the bullies got a taste of their own medicine, and the bullies didn't like it. Had Enosis succeeded, do you think you would have given a damn about the former Turkish Cypriots who were ever killed or ejected from the island? You would have at the very most referred to it as "an unfortunate part of history", and certainly not invited them back to the island to live. Be honest about that!

Now, I'm in agreement that there are shortcomings in the TRNC as regards proper democracy and human rights, but that is primarilly due to the siege mentality of the isolations imposed by the RoCy and UN. If nothing else, these isolations further made TRNC dependent upon Turkey, which those there who favor annexation must love.
And as for me, well, I didn't instigate the 'taunts'. That came from GR who started it all with a thread about me and then started his blackmail tactics. As I said to you and others earlier: question my intelligence, that's okay, but question my integrity, and that's a red line you step over.

The bottom line, Talisker, is this: If you don't like what I have to say, either do not respond, or engage in serious debate - like what we're doing here. I'll be honest with you, if you'll be honest with me. And honestly, due to the mistrust and the legacy of the intercommunal violence on Cyprus, I can't see reconciliation working, which is why I favor the partition option. And until I do see that reconciliation has a chance of succeeding, I'll stick to my stance of TRNC recognition as a soveriegn nation.

Sorry, Expatkiwi, but it isn't worth my time to engage with you in debate about CyProb. Within a couple of posts of dialogue between us in this thread you've shown you have no interest in acknowledging your flawed and incomplete understanding of who the real bullies are in all of this - in other words you choose to ignore history. I also find your (gleeful?) acceptance of the concept of criminal 'payback' abhorrent, as this shows you lack moral fibre through acceptance of vengeance as a tolerable aspect of life. I also can't believe that as a US resident you don't accept simple democratic principles, and if the majority of Cypriots wanted enosis with Greece then the TCs as Cypriots should have accepted this. I don't accept TCs would have been wiped out under these hypothetical circumstances (after all, even today there is a sizeable Turkish community within Greece). Finally, you obviously have no faith in humankind - either in the willingness of GCs to peacefully welcome and accept TCs back into a free and democratic united Cyprus with political equality for each individual, or of the ability of TCs to survive and prosper in a reintegrated society (you'd prefer they hide behind a wall of Turkish soldiers and face cultural extinction as they become swamped by Anatolian settlers). I'm outta here.......

Usual excuses, accept it you fucked up big time and got your butts slapped real hard, time you realized you cannot turn TCs into just another minority its a BBf with politicla equality or the current status quo, your viewpoint obviously reveals you choose the status quo.

Hey charmer, you're spewing your bile in the wrong direction.

I'm British, not GC!

What difference does that make, you support the GC stance 100%

However you partitionists try to portray it, in the eyes of the international community you are still trying to excuse illegal and criminal actions on behalf of Turkey. I believe in democracy, political equality for each individual, and imposition of criminal justice - you don't!

If the International community were against what we stand for they would have done something about it, cant see anyone running to the aid of the GCs, can you? even the EU have not made the slightest of difference and the GC leverage is near enough non exsistent. Your belief is lip service paid to text book theories, its the application of the principles that is important we do not trust the GCs nor does the world to administer them correctly thats why a BBF with political equality is the only real option you have before you if you ever want to try and unite this island.

[Expatkiwi]

Because your a fucking Turk!

And you're a Rousy Gleek Plick...

[Get Real!]

If the International community were against what we stand for they would have done something about it, cant see anyone running to the aid of the GCs, can you?

It’s unfortunate that non-binding UN Resolutions (those that are not also escorted by an order/plan to see them enforced) exist because they give the FALSE impression of a diminished obligation for the perpetrator, as your post clearly proves.

[Viewpoint]

If the International community were against what we stand for they would have done something about it, cant see anyone running to the aid of the GCs, can you?

It’s unfortunate that non-binding UN Resolutions (those that are not also escorted by an order/plan to see them enforced) exist because they give the FALSE impression of a diminished obligation for the perpetrator, as your post clearly proves.

Get over it, no cares about a little GC community enough to come rushing to your aid, even the EU whom you placed all your best on dont give a shit.