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[Pyrpolizer]

Because you are one of those foreigners who bought stolen GC property in the occupied. You lived there for some years, and you know the place well enough to be able to place landmarks on digital maps.You left before 2004, hence you never met any GCs. Most propably you still own stolen GC property there.

Suddenly a lot of pieces are falling into place .... (especially making a "pen-pal" of Denktash).

[Talisker]

If they have to put up with people like you (who have no connection with Cyprus whatsoever) taunting them, then of course they are strident in their debate. As for GC interactions with TCs there is a variety of attitudes as one would expect, from friendly banter to heated debate, but very little which I would term as 'bullying'. Yes, they are intolerant of taunting and frustrations are bound to surface - after all, displaced GC forumers have to live with the thought that some of the TCs they are communicating with on this very forum may just be living in their (GC) own houses and eating the produce from their (GC) own fields, etc in the illegally occupied north.

However, you instigated this thread to explain your stance on the CyProb. Now that your 'reasons' have been shown to be ridiculous, or just plain wrong, are you going to change your views and position? Or do you prefer to continue to support illegal actions, and lack of democracy and human rights? I look forward to your evasion of these questions.

Okay, Talisker. I won't evade, but you're probably not going to like what I have to say in this reply. I looked upon the Turkish intervention and the aftermath as 'payback' for what the Turkish Cypriots suffered and had to live with since 1963. The analagy "When you steal from a thief, the one thing you don't do is call the cops" comes into play here. In short: the bullies got a taste of their own medicine, and the bullies didn't like it. Had Enosis succeeded, do you think you would have given a damn about the former Turkish Cypriots who were ever killed or ejected from the island? You would have at the very most referred to it as "an unfortunate part of history", and certainly not invited them back to the island to live. Be honest about that!

Now, I'm in agreement that there are shortcomings in the TRNC as regards proper democracy and human rights, but that is primarilly due to the siege mentality of the isolations imposed by the RoCy and UN. If nothing else, these isolations further made TRNC dependent upon Turkey, which those there who favor annexation must love.
And as for me, well, I didn't instigate the 'taunts'. That came from GR who started it all with a thread about me and then started his blackmail tactics. As I said to you and others earlier: question my intelligence, that's okay, but question my integrity, and that's a red line you step over.

The bottom line, Talisker, is this: If you don't like what I have to say, either do not respond, or engage in serious debate - like what we're doing here. I'll be honest with you, if you'll be honest with me. And honestly, due to the mistrust and the legacy of the intercommunal violence on Cyprus, I can't see reconciliation working, which is why I favor the partition option. And until I do see that reconciliation has a chance of succeeding, I'll stick to my stance of TRNC recognition as a soveriegn nation.

Sorry, Expatkiwi, but it isn't worth my time to engage with you in debate about CyProb. Within a couple of posts of dialogue between us in this thread you've shown you have no interest in acknowledging your flawed and incomplete understanding of who the real bullies are in all of this - in other words you choose to ignore history. I also find your (gleeful?) acceptance of the concept of criminal 'payback' abhorrent, as this shows you lack moral fibre through acceptance of vengeance as a tolerable aspect of life. I also can't believe that as a US resident you don't accept simple democratic principles, and if the majority of Cypriots wanted enosis with Greece then the TCs as Cypriots should have accepted this. I don't accept TCs would have been wiped out under these hypothetical circumstances (after all, even today there is a sizeable Turkish community within Greece). Finally, you obviously have no faith in humankind - either in the willingness of GCs to peacefully welcome and accept TCs back into a free and democratic united Cyprus with political equality for each individual, or of the ability of TCs to survive and prosper in a reintegrated society (you'd prefer they hide behind a wall of Turkish soldiers and face cultural extinction as they become swamped by Anatolian settlers). I'm outta here.......

Usual excuses, accept it you fucked up big time and got your butts slapped real hard, time you realized you cannot turn TCs into just another minority its a BBf with politicla equality or the current status quo, your viewpoint obviously reveals you choose the status quo.

Hey charmer, you're spewing your bile in the wrong direction.

I'm British, not GC!

[Viewpoint]

If they have to put up with people like you (who have no connection with Cyprus whatsoever) taunting them, then of course they are strident in their debate. As for GC interactions with TCs there is a variety of attitudes as one would expect, from friendly banter to heated debate, but very little which I would term as 'bullying'. Yes, they are intolerant of taunting and frustrations are bound to surface - after all, displaced GC forumers have to live with the thought that some of the TCs they are communicating with on this very forum may just be living in their (GC) own houses and eating the produce from their (GC) own fields, etc in the illegally occupied north.

However, you instigated this thread to explain your stance on the CyProb. Now that your 'reasons' have been shown to be ridiculous, or just plain wrong, are you going to change your views and position? Or do you prefer to continue to support illegal actions, and lack of democracy and human rights? I look forward to your evasion of these questions.

Okay, Talisker. I won't evade, but you're probably not going to like what I have to say in this reply. I looked upon the Turkish intervention and the aftermath as 'payback' for what the Turkish Cypriots suffered and had to live with since 1963. The analagy "When you steal from a thief, the one thing you don't do is call the cops" comes into play here. In short: the bullies got a taste of their own medicine, and the bullies didn't like it. Had Enosis succeeded, do you think you would have given a damn about the former Turkish Cypriots who were ever killed or ejected from the island? You would have at the very most referred to it as "an unfortunate part of history", and certainly not invited them back to the island to live. Be honest about that!

Now, I'm in agreement that there are shortcomings in the TRNC as regards proper democracy and human rights, but that is primarilly due to the siege mentality of the isolations imposed by the RoCy and UN. If nothing else, these isolations further made TRNC dependent upon Turkey, which those there who favor annexation must love.
And as for me, well, I didn't instigate the 'taunts'. That came from GR who started it all with a thread about me and then started his blackmail tactics. As I said to you and others earlier: question my intelligence, that's okay, but question my integrity, and that's a red line you step over.

The bottom line, Talisker, is this: If you don't like what I have to say, either do not respond, or engage in serious debate - like what we're doing here. I'll be honest with you, if you'll be honest with me. And honestly, due to the mistrust and the legacy of the intercommunal violence on Cyprus, I can't see reconciliation working, which is why I favor the partition option. And until I do see that reconciliation has a chance of succeeding, I'll stick to my stance of TRNC recognition as a soveriegn nation.

Sorry, Expatkiwi, but it isn't worth my time to engage with you in debate about CyProb. Within a couple of posts of dialogue between us in this thread you've shown you have no interest in acknowledging your flawed and incomplete understanding of who the real bullies are in all of this - in other words you choose to ignore history. I also find your (gleeful?) acceptance of the concept of criminal 'payback' abhorrent, as this shows you lack moral fibre through acceptance of vengeance as a tolerable aspect of life. I also can't believe that as a US resident you don't accept simple democratic principles, and if the majority of Cypriots wanted enosis with Greece then the TCs as Cypriots should have accepted this. I don't accept TCs would have been wiped out under these hypothetical circumstances (after all, even today there is a sizeable Turkish community within Greece). Finally, you obviously have no faith in humankind - either in the willingness of GCs to peacefully welcome and accept TCs back into a free and democratic united Cyprus with political equality for each individual, or of the ability of TCs to survive and prosper in a reintegrated society (you'd prefer they hide behind a wall of Turkish soldiers and face cultural extinction as they become swamped by Anatolian settlers). I'm outta here.......

Usual excuses, accept it you fucked up big time and got your butts slapped real hard, time you realized you cannot turn TCs into just another minority its a BBf with politicla equality or the current status quo, your viewpoint obviously reveals you choose the status quo.

Hey charmer, you're spewing your bile in the wrong direction.

I'm British, not GC!

What difference does that make, you support the GC stance 100%

[paliometoxo]

exactly vp, same goes for expat when he says hes not tc.. same rubbish hes 100% on the turk stance

[Pyrpolizer]

What difference does that make, you support the GC stance 100%

Probably because he has morals? Probably because he is not one of those crooks who bought stolen GC property in the occupied?

[Viewpoint]

exactly vp, same goes for expat when he says hes not tc.. same rubbish hes 100% on the turk stance

I agree he has shown his support for you GCs so that makes him no different.

[Talisker]

Hey Talisker, but according to Exapt we are still the bullies forcing the TCs into isolation.

Could someone please explain Expat how the great TC leaders managed their first strike of isolating their own people after 1974 and leading them to economic decline by depriving them all their Exports? When was it -1984?

Careful Pyrpolizer, you're crossing that red line........

[Talisker]

If they have to put up with people like you (who have no connection with Cyprus whatsoever) taunting them, then of course they are strident in their debate. As for GC interactions with TCs there is a variety of attitudes as one would expect, from friendly banter to heated debate, but very little which I would term as 'bullying'. Yes, they are intolerant of taunting and frustrations are bound to surface - after all, displaced GC forumers have to live with the thought that some of the TCs they are communicating with on this very forum may just be living in their (GC) own houses and eating the produce from their (GC) own fields, etc in the illegally occupied north.

However, you instigated this thread to explain your stance on the CyProb. Now that your 'reasons' have been shown to be ridiculous, or just plain wrong, are you going to change your views and position? Or do you prefer to continue to support illegal actions, and lack of democracy and human rights? I look forward to your evasion of these questions.

Okay, Talisker. I won't evade, but you're probably not going to like what I have to say in this reply. I looked upon the Turkish intervention and the aftermath as 'payback' for what the Turkish Cypriots suffered and had to live with since 1963. The analagy "When you steal from a thief, the one thing you don't do is call the cops" comes into play here. In short: the bullies got a taste of their own medicine, and the bullies didn't like it. Had Enosis succeeded, do you think you would have given a damn about the former Turkish Cypriots who were ever killed or ejected from the island? You would have at the very most referred to it as "an unfortunate part of history", and certainly not invited them back to the island to live. Be honest about that!

Now, I'm in agreement that there are shortcomings in the TRNC as regards proper democracy and human rights, but that is primarilly due to the siege mentality of the isolations imposed by the RoCy and UN. If nothing else, these isolations further made TRNC dependent upon Turkey, which those there who favor annexation must love.
And as for me, well, I didn't instigate the 'taunts'. That came from GR who started it all with a thread about me and then started his blackmail tactics. As I said to you and others earlier: question my intelligence, that's okay, but question my integrity, and that's a red line you step over.

The bottom line, Talisker, is this: If you don't like what I have to say, either do not respond, or engage in serious debate - like what we're doing here. I'll be honest with you, if you'll be honest with me. And honestly, due to the mistrust and the legacy of the intercommunal violence on Cyprus, I can't see reconciliation working, which is why I favor the partition option. And until I do see that reconciliation has a chance of succeeding, I'll stick to my stance of TRNC recognition as a soveriegn nation.

Sorry, Expatkiwi, but it isn't worth my time to engage with you in debate about CyProb. Within a couple of posts of dialogue between us in this thread you've shown you have no interest in acknowledging your flawed and incomplete understanding of who the real bullies are in all of this - in other words you choose to ignore history. I also find your (gleeful?) acceptance of the concept of criminal 'payback' abhorrent, as this shows you lack moral fibre through acceptance of vengeance as a tolerable aspect of life. I also can't believe that as a US resident you don't accept simple democratic principles, and if the majority of Cypriots wanted enosis with Greece then the TCs as Cypriots should have accepted this. I don't accept TCs would have been wiped out under these hypothetical circumstances (after all, even today there is a sizeable Turkish community within Greece). Finally, you obviously have no faith in humankind - either in the willingness of GCs to peacefully welcome and accept TCs back into a free and democratic united Cyprus with political equality for each individual, or of the ability of TCs to survive and prosper in a reintegrated society (you'd prefer they hide behind a wall of Turkish soldiers and face cultural extinction as they become swamped by Anatolian settlers). I'm outta here.......

Usual excuses, accept it you fucked up big time and got your butts slapped real hard, time you realized you cannot turn TCs into just another minority its a BBf with politicla equality or the current status quo, your viewpoint obviously reveals you choose the status quo.

Hey charmer, you're spewing your bile in the wrong direction.

I'm British, not GC!

What difference does that make, you support the GC stance 100%

However you partitionists try to portray it, in the eyes of the international community you are still trying to excuse illegal and criminal actions on behalf of Turkey. I believe in democracy, political equality for each individual, and imposition of criminal justice - you don't!

[Expatkiwi]

However you partitionists try to portray it, in the eyes of the international community you are still trying to excuse illegal and criminal actions on behalf of Turkey. I believe in democracy, political equality for each individual, and imposition of criminal justice - you don't!

"Illegal and Criminal actions". If Turkey was the only country guilty of that, then perhaps I'd be far more sympathetic to you, but unfortunately, there are far more countries being just as "illegal and criminal". Amnesty International has more information on that if you want to look it up.

There is no such official thing BTW as "Turkish minority in Greece". They are regarded by Athens as "Greek Muslim Citizens". As to my lack of faith in reconciliation, well... Crete is a good example of a Greek precedent regarding a Turkish minority.

[paliometoxo]

no one forces them to be in greece