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[Expatkiwi]

Goodness me, Expat. The above (aside from continued guarantees from Britain, Turkey and Greece) and your previous 12 point plan are eminently sensible. Are you sure wife isn't logging in on your behalf to try and restore her husband's credibitility?

You do realise that Viewpoint - who'd rather make his wife a widow and children orphans than accept emergency medical treatment in the free areas - won't be your friend any more. Perhaps not much of a loss, either for you or for his poor family.[/quote]

Look, I just expressed an opinion on how a unitary state could work if there were no other options. The Treaty of Guarantee needs to be transferred to the EU as they would be more impartial and would be acting in the interests of the entire island if something happened. It's just that given the cynicism of the situation and of the involved countries, that unitary idea of mine wouldn't stand a chance, which doesn't leave many options.

[paliometoxo]

Palio, I thank you for thinking my unitary formula has merit, but it is an extremely idealistic one to say the least. It assumes that unitary is the only option, and with the overriding sentiment in the north for either federation, confederation, or outright partition formalising, I have to be realistic. That's why partition was favored by me as other options seem to be non-starters. Partition as I see it (with my total independence favoring) would however involve items that would make the TRNC folk - not to mention your folk - distinctly uneasy:

1) Cession of TRNC territory to RoCy of Famagusta, Morphou, Lourojina Salient, Nicosia International Airport, and south coastal area of Karpass peninisula in order to bring TRNC territory to no more than 25% of the island area. RoCy to cede to TRNC strip of territory to join the Erenkoy exclave to TRNC.

2) Nicosia old city to be declared an open area for both countries. All TRNC and RoCy government facilities to be removed from the old city.

3) Removal of all Turkish and Greek Armed Forces and the UNICYP forces in Cyprus.

4) Cross-Accreditation of all embassies in Nicosia to both countries. Embassies of both Cypriot states to be located inside the Old City.

5) Total cession of all former TC lands south of the border to RoCy, with equivilent amount of former GC lands north of the border ceded to TRNC, with the remainder compenated to the RoCy by the TRNC.

6) No Cypriot country to be annexed - or to annex itself - to any other country, except with each other upon mutual agreement.

7) Free Trade between both countries and unrestricted movement between both countries by their citizens. Euro to be common currency of both countries.

8 ) No objection by RoCy to TRNC membership in international organizations.

9) TRNC to rename itself "Republic of North Cyprus" in order not to imply association with any other country.

Needless to say, all this would be a non-starter as well...

you where on a winning streek and then said that pro turk solution which the south will never accept

[Malapapa]

Look, I just expressed an opinion on how a unitary state could work if there were no other options.

The majority of the Cypriot people want their island united in the EU. Why should there be other options, simply to placate a foreign aggressor?

The Treaty of Guarantee needs to be transferred to the EU as they would be more impartial and would be acting in the interests of the entire island if something happened. It's just that given the cynicism of the situation and of the involved countries, that unitary idea of mine wouldn't stand a chance, which doesn't leave many options.

It wouldn't stand a chance because of Turkey. So we have no option but to do Turkey's bidding? Sorry. No can do.

[Expatkiwi]

you were on a winning streak and then said that pro turk solution which the south will never accept

Well, as I mentioned earlier, what I wrote earlier were my thoughts on both a unitary solution and a partition solution. Oh, and I did say that the turkish side probably would not like my partition plan beause they would view it as giving away too much.

In any case, I thank you for looking at the plans and not waxing sarcastic about them. I am also glad that you find my thoughts on a unitary state setup generally acceptable.

[Expatkiwi]

It wouldn't stand a chance because of Turkey. So we have no option but to do Turkey's bidding? Sorry. No can do.

Uh-uh. The UK, Greece, and Turkey would no longer have the right to act unilaterally under what I propose. There is a EU armed force made up of all member nations. If a situation erupted in Cyprus which would necessitate an EU intervention under the plan, the EU would send in those troops to restore order. It would naturally follow that no troops from UK, Greece, or Turkey be part of the force. Also, the EU would send it in on a majority vote (NOT unaminous).

[Byron]

This infantile thread does nothing to solve the Cyprus problem, more so it has been introduced by someone who should have known better than play right into Expat's mentality!

As to the questions to be answered well what should we say............

[Oracle]

So, he has been forced to create a proposal for "unification" to regain our "interest".

But, once shallow always shallow and he quickly reneged to his comfort zone, wrapped safely in his favourite "flag" ...

What a flagrant waster. The "trnc" can keep him.

Onwards and upwards for the rest of us; we can easily beat these fools.

[Expatkiwi]

So, he has been forced to create a proposal for "unification" to regain our "interest".

But, once shallow always shallow and he quickly reneged to his comfort zone, wrapped safely in his favourite "flag" ...

What a flagrant waster. The "trnc" can keep him.

Onwards and upwards for the rest of us; we can easily beat these fools.

No pleasing you, is there? Anyway, you are the one who told me to keep my options open and not to remain entrenched in one view. And yes, I still think partition is the best option.