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[Expatkiwi]

Actually, Popsicle... There is a way that I think a unitary Cypriot state could (and I emphasise COULD) work:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives voting based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate voting based on community makeup. All four major communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices.
8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.

Probably not a hope in Hell of such a thing happening, but this is my view nonetheless.

[boulio]

Not bad kiwi,the turks would flip out if maronites and armenians were now equal to them.Kets see how the like disproportianate numbers in the senate.

[paliometoxo]

Actually, Popsicle... There is a way that I think a unitary Cypriot state could (and I emphasise COULD) work:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives voting based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate voting based on community makeup. All four major communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices.
8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.

Probably not a hope in Hell of such a thing happening, but this is my view nonetheless.

see now thats a good proposal. something that would be fair to all

[Expatkiwi]

Not bad kiwi,the turks would flip out if maronites and armenians were now equal to them.Kets see how the like disproportianate numbers in the senate.

The senate would have to pass legistation by a two-thirds majority. If there are twenty-two senators (five from each group, plus two from the Cypriot citizens of other origin), there would have to be fifteen in agreement, thus there is an adequate safeguard against discriminatory practices.

[Expatkiwi]

Actually, Popsicle... There is a way that I think a unitary Cypriot state could (and I emphasise COULD) work:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives voting based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate voting based on community makeup. All four major communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices.
8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.

Probably not a hope in Hell of such a thing happening, but this is my view nonetheless.

see now thats a good proposal. something that would be fair to all

You like this notion?!!!

[paliometoxo]

Actually, Popsicle... There is a way that I think a unitary Cypriot state could (and I emphasise COULD) work:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives voting based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate voting based on community makeup. All four major communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices.
8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.

Probably not a hope in Hell of such a thing happening, but this is my view nonetheless.

see now thats a good proposal. something that would be fair to all

You like this notion?!!!

sure whats wrong with it? it seems fair to me.. ?

i dont agree with number 8 though:

8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.

we should have greek or turk as a second language for those whoa re intrested to learn.. english is very handy and is taught in schools but not as a first language

[Expatkiwi]

Actually, Popsicle... There is a way that I think a unitary Cypriot state could (and I emphasise COULD) work:

1. All disputed property restoration based on pre-December 1963 ownership.
2. No foreign armed forces permitted in Cyprus, and British cession of the SBA's.
3. House of Representatives voting based on overall population distribution.
4. Senate voting based on community makeup. All four major communities (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Marionite) have equal number of senators.
5. The President and Vice President elected by the House of Representatives and endorsed by the Senate.
6. Entrenched constitutional clause forbidding any annexation (in whole or part) to any other country.
7. Affirmative Action policies in employment to ensure no discriminationatory practices.
8. Encouragement of English as the language of use rather than Greek or Turkish by the Government, President and Vice-President in order not to show any community favoritism.
9. Only Cypriot holidays to be officially recognized and removal of the official status of the Greek and Turkish flags from the constitution.
10. National anthem to be unique. No official useage of either the Greek or Turkish National Anthem.
11. Dual nationality/citizenship not to be permitted.
12. Interim step of a EU police force and justice ministry for the first ten years.

Probably not a hope in Hell of such a thing happening, but this is my view nonetheless.

see now thats a good proposal. something that would be fair to all

You like this notion?!!!

sure whats wrong with it? it seems fair to me.. ?

Well, if there is sincere dialogue to form a single Cypriot identity without completely giving up one's heritage, then a unitary House and community-evened Senate would be a good way to handle things. Migrants though are going to be a tough topic. The Turkish policy of mass-shipping Anatolians is wrong, but those of them who have married Turkish Cypriots, or bore children in Cyprus.... what would happen to them? Would a unitary state accept those as citizens of the Republic should they renounce Turkish Citizenship?

[paliometoxo]

i edited and pointed out i dont agree with number 8 but i agree with the rest, sensible and fair solution to all.

i think that up to a certain amount should be allowed. we cant accept to many settlers. but a fair amount as christophias made an offer of 15 thousand i think is fair. to be given a choice if they want to or not.. and tis turkeys fault for bringing them even if they have gotten used to cyprus they should take most back and offer them housing so they are not on the streets

[Expatkiwi]

I'm not saying that the official use of either Greek or Turkish should be stopped, by the government should not favor one or the other as it could be interpreted as bias. Their public speaking and debating in English would be seen as showing no favoratism.

[paliometoxo]

no i dont agree with it.... become english speaking? no i dont agree