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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:14 pm

Tony-4497 wrote:Oracle, GR

For the record, this is not about self-interest. I would have gotten almost all of my land back under the Annan plan (in theory), but still voted against it because I felt it was not right for Cyprus.

My main point is that if our leadership continues the current strategy of having all these pseudo-negotiations while it allows Turkey to proceed without paying any price and while colonising the occupied areas with countless settlers, then all of the occupied land will eventually be lost, because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.

As I mentioned before, the government should block the opening and closing of any chapter for Turkey until it withdraws its troops and settlers from Cyprus.


At last someone talking sense, you GCs would do yourselves a great service if you listen to this person.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:06 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Oracle, GR

For the record, this is not about self-interest. I would have gotten almost all of my land back under the Annan plan (in theory), but still voted against it because I felt it was not right for Cyprus.

My main point is that if our leadership continues the current strategy of having all these pseudo-negotiations while it allows Turkey to proceed without paying any price and while colonising the occupied areas with countless settlers, then all of the occupied land will eventually be lost, because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.

As I mentioned before, the government should block the opening and closing of any chapter for Turkey until it withdraws its troops and settlers from Cyprus.


At last someone talking sense, you GCs would do yourselves a great service if you listen to this person.


Hang on a minute, Viewpoint, your advocating boycotting Turkey, until it withdraws its troops and settlers? Your acknowledging the Annan proposal wasn't right for Cyprus? That's what everyone else who's sensible is saying! When did you start listening?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:22 pm

Tony-4497 wrote:Oracle, GR

For the record, this is not about self-interest. I would have gotten almost all of my land back under the Annan plan (in theory), but still voted against it because I felt it was not right for Cyprus.

My main point is that if our leadership continues the current strategy of having all these pseudo-negotiations while it allows Turkey to proceed without paying any price and while colonising the occupied areas with countless settlers, then all of the occupied land will eventually be lost, because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.

As I mentioned before, the government should block the opening and closing of any chapter for Turkey until it withdraws its troops and settlers from Cyprus.


Tony,save yourself a lot of frustration,mate. You cannot talk sense with these two..They are programmed for self-destruction,pretty much like our forefathers in the 50s and 60s...Those misguided fools wanted to give Cyprus, one side totally and the other partially,their country,to their imaginary motherlands...That landed us in the mess we are in...GR and Oracle will not give an inch,they would rather wage an all-out-war against Turkey,and go down fighting some long lost battle for some unexplicable and unattainable goal...You are hitting your head against a stone wall... :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:24 pm

Malapapa wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Oracle, GR

For the record, this is not about self-interest. I would have gotten almost all of my land back under the Annan plan (in theory), but still voted against it because I felt it was not right for Cyprus.

My main point is that if our leadership continues the current strategy of having all these pseudo-negotiations while it allows Turkey to proceed without paying any price and while colonising the occupied areas with countless settlers, then all of the occupied land will eventually be lost, because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.
As I mentioned before, the government should block the opening and closing of any chapter for Turkey until it withdraws its troops and settlers from Cyprus.


At last someone talking sense, you GCs would do yourselves a great service if you listen to this person.


Hang on a minute, Viewpoint, your advocating boycotting Turkey, until it withdraws its troops and settlers? Your acknowledging the Annan proposal wasn't right for Cyprus? That's what everyone else who's sensible is saying! When did you start listening?


This is the point Im trying to get you people to understand and why time is working against you.
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Postby humanist » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:25 pm

Tony-4497 I agree with your post above

Turkish Troops Out of Cyprus ................. the problem is Cyprus is insignificant and the EU especially Britain whos stance is one of colonisation will overide Cyprus' veto because her majesty breeds nothing but white anglo supremacy
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:28 pm

humanist wrote:Tony-4497 I agree with your post above

Turkish Troops Out of Cyprus ................. the problem is Cyprus is insignificant and the EU especially Britain whos stance is one of colonisation will overide Cyprus' veto because her majesty breeds nothing but white anglo supremacy


You have chnaged you tune a great deal, very bitter and venomous, so your original face was false and very very dangerous.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:Tony-4497 I agree with your post above

Turkish Troops Out of Cyprus ................. the problem is Cyprus is insignificant and the EU especially Britain whos stance is one of colonisation will overide Cyprus' veto because her majesty breeds nothing but white anglo supremacy


You have chnaged you tune a great deal, very bitter and venomous, so your original face was false and very very dangerous.


And I'm not happy with what Humanist had to say regarding Her Majesty the Queen (GOD BLESS HER).
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Postby Expatkiwi » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:00 am

Guardian wrote:Cyprus could split like Czechoslovakia, Turkish Cypriots say.
Warning comes as reunification talks, feared to be on brink of failure, are due to restart

Simon Tisdall in Nicosia guardian.co.uk, Sunday 24 January 2010 18.00 GMT

Cyprus could become another Czechoslovakia, splitting in to two separate states unless Britain and its international partners move to prevent the collapse of crucial reunification talks, officials in Turkish northern Cyprus have warned.

With the negotiations, which began in 2008, resuming tomorrow, fears are growing that dialogue between the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Talat, and Demetris Christofias, the Greek Cypriot leader, is on the brink of failure.

Turkish Cypriots are pessimistic about talks, with up to 85% believing a reunification deal is beyond reach, a recent poll revealed.

"I don't understand why Britain does not do more. Britain [the former colonial power] knows very well what happened here," Huseyin Ozgurgun, the foreign minister of the self-styled Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, said.

"Britain is a very strong country. It has a lot of influence."

Cyprus has been divided along ethnic and religious lines since 1974, when Turkish troops intervened following a Greek-inspired coup and widespread violence.

Britain, the US, Turkey and the EU back a reunification solution similar to the plan presented in 2004 by the then UN secretary general, Kofi Annan.

However, attempts to overcome security, property, governance and territorial issues have failed repeatedly.

Northern Cyprus is shunned internationally – only Turkey affords it legal recognition – while the Greek Cypriot-led Republic of Cyprus is a UN member and was admitted to the EU as the legal government of the whole island as 2004.

The pro-reunification Talat, who is widely expected to lose April's presidential election to his hardline nationalist prime minister, Dervis Eroglu, recently warned that time for the talks was running out.

They could be effectively suspended as early as next week when campaigning begins in the north of Cyprus.

Christofias, who also favours reunification, is under heavy pressure from opposition politicians, the Cypriot National Guard and Archbishop Chrysostomos II, leader of the Greek Orthodox church in Cyprus, not to give ground.

"Turkey is trying to keep the talks on track but its actions will be influenced by European attitudes to its EU membership bid," Ahmet Sozen, a political analyst at the Cyprus Policy Centre, based in northern Cyprus, said.

"Sooner or later, Turkey may say to Eroglu: 'Go on, show your real face.' Eroglu's real face is separation, like in Czechoslovakia."

Ozdil Nami, Talat's special representative in the UN-brokered talks, said: "Eroglu wants a two-state solution. He is talking about a velvet revolution."

He warned such an approach could wreck the negotiations, adding: "There is a general lack of understanding in Europe over Cyprus.

"Britain has an important responsibility to enlighten other EU states. We are expecting more."

The UK has stepped up its involvement, with Gordon Brown telephoning Talat, Christofias and the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to voice his support for the negotiations last week.

Britain is hoping an agreement on power-sharing, governance and EU issues this week could provide a launchpad for progress in other areas.

Brown held face to face talks with Talat in London last month – a move condemned by Greek Cypriots – a month after meeting Christofias.

The EU is also piling on pressure, with a visit to Nicosia by its new president, Herman van Rompuy, last week. If the talks make progress, the UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, could visit the island next month.
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Postby Hermes » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:31 am

Give it up mate, the Republic of Cyprus has just had its legal and territorial sovereignty over the whole island upheld in the international courts. Do you think we're about to agree to its partition? This is bullshit. It just ain't going to happen. Velvet partition? What on earth are you smoking?
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Postby Expatkiwi » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:28 am

Hermes wrote:Give it up mate, the Republic of Cyprus has just had its legal and territorial sovereignty over the whole island upheld in the international courts. Do you think we're about to agree to its partition? This is bullshit. It just ain't going to happen. Velvet partition? What on earth are you smoking?


I'm not smoking anything, Hermes. I'm just passing along an article that appeared in the Guardian newspaper.
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