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[Viewpoint]

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If Ozlala is who he says he is,I am Nelson Mandela...

But whoever he is,he has a great future as comedy writer on the BBC...

Hi Mr Nelson Mandela

So you believe everything people tell you, don't you, Ozala.?

Boy, aren't you the gullible, then again, all your posts so far has confirmed that.!

Talking crap yet again kikapu, you love attacking the messenger try sticking to what he is telling and the points of view he conveys to the CF, finding it difficult to deal with me thinks.

Did you belive That I thoght you was Mandela? then you must be the Gullible one. the fact remains.

Poor VP, he even gets shit from by-standers.!

Dont have a hissy fit Kikapu only mixed wires nothing more.

[Kikapu]

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If Ozlala is who he says he is,I am Nelson Mandela...

But whoever he is,he has a great future as comedy writer on the BBC...

Hi Mr Nelson Mandela

So you believe everything people tell you, don't you, Ozala.?

Boy, aren't you the gullible, then again, all your posts so far has confirmed that.!

Talking crap yet again kikapu, you love attacking the messenger try sticking to what he is telling and the points of view he conveys to the CF, finding it difficult to deal with me thinks.

Did you belive That I thoght you was Mandela? then you must be the Gullible one. the fact remains.

Poor VP, he even gets shit from by-standers.!

Dont have a hissy fit Kikapu only mixed wires nothing more.

I know, the guy is confused. !

Boy, is he ever confused.!

[YFred]

:lol:

If Ozlala is who he says he is,I am Nelson Mandela...

But whoever he is,he has a great future as comedy writer on the BBC...

Hi Mr Nelson Mandela

So you believe everything people tell you, don't you, Ozala.?

Boy, aren't you the gullible, then again, all your posts so far has confirmed that.!

Talking crap yet again kikapu, you love attacking the messenger try sticking to what he is telling and the points of view he conveys to the CF, finding it difficult to deal with me thinks.

Did you belive That I thoght you was Mandela? then you must be the Gullible one. the fact remains.

Poor VP, he even gets shit from by-standers.!

Dont have a hissy fit Kikapu only mixed wires nothing more.

I know, the guy is confused. !

Boy, is he ever confused.!

No, you are the only bright spark in the universe. Careful you don't catch fire and burn yourself, for goad sake.

[Tony-4497]

Oracle

Do you know of even a single place that Turkey colonised with settlers which was later recovered by its rightful owners?

Here's a map...

er.. interesting.. but perhaps you can now also answer my question..

I am talking about Turkey colonising an occupied area, not just conquering it.. Anatolian settlers in the occupied part are the majority population and still increasing.. give me a similar case where such a land was eventually recovered by its owners.

We will never accept an Annan-like solution and Turkey will not agree to a true federation as most of us understand it. So, we need to do SOMETHING to protect the occupied land from complete Turkification. In practice, there will be no way to send back 3rd or 4th generation settlers say 30 years from now.

This something could, for example, be the agreeing a partition on a say 82:18 basis. If this is not acceptable either, then the status quo is likely to continue for decades. Under this scenario, our only hope of blocking Turkification is to link the flow of settlers to Turkey's EU path. i.e. no chapters open or close unless this flow stops (together with the development of stolen properties) and this is verified by independent bodies.

[Tony-4497]

I could live with an even higher %.. say 18% or even 20% max (land and coastline)

Why on earth would you want to do that? Are you gifting your property and that of all your relatives because I can’t imagine you suggesting that they take someone else’s!

GR

I could live with 5-6% of the RoC state-owned land being sacrificed if this was to achieve a safe and secure solution that meant that GCs would be able to continue their current way of life and be masters of their own fate and affairs on say 82% of the island.

This is partly because I worry that the political leadership has the potential to land us in a much worse place than this painful concession. Also see my note above re continuation of the status quo.

[Get Real!]

I could live with an even higher %.. say 18% or even 20% max (land and coastline)

Why on earth would you want to do that? Are you gifting your property and that of all your relatives because I can’t imagine you suggesting that they take someone else’s!

GR

I could live with 5-6% of the RoC state-owned land being sacrificed if this was to achieve a safe and secure solution that meant that GCs would be able to continue their current way of life and be masters of their own fate and affairs on say 82% of the island.

This is partly because I worry that the political leadership has the potential to land us in a much worse place than this painful concession. Also see my note above re continuation of the status quo.

But we haven’t seen you sacrifice YOUR occupied property first to show us how such generosity comes about…

How about a public announcement on the forum like…

“I hereby waver all rights to my Turkish occupied house/property as an example to my fellow compatriots to follow suit so that we may achieve the extra 6% that I generously suggest we cede!”

[Tony-4497]

GR

I mentioned state-owned land, not land owned by individuals.. the RoC has plenty of this..

In any case, I am not suggesting that this is an ideal solution.. the question is which is the lesser evil:

(a) Annan-like solution now
(b) Clean partition 82:18 now (if available)
(c) Continuation of status quo until Turkey is willing to accept true federation (which may be anywhere between 20 years and indefinitely)

My preference would be (c) IF we are able to introduce blocks to the flow of settlers, as mentioned above.. (otherwise full turkification will become irreversible on the ground). If not, then between (a) and (b), I choose (b).

[Oracle]

I mentioned state-owned land, not land owned by individuals.. the RoC has plenty of this..

All of Cyprus belongs to the RoC. The two are one and the same. If the TC's want personal land for living their earthly existence, they have their homes scattered around the place, which they can freely enjoy ... They do not need one exclusive region of our island to effectively form as part of Turkey.

I am really sorry if you are desperate to recover your home, and I'm happy for all others of us who haven't lost homes to pay some penury tax on our land to help the refugees more, but in terms of losing parts of Cyprus, parts of the RoC, then we all have a fair say (Cyprus is our lifeline) and I'm not up for gifting even 1% to the Turks.

[Tony-4497]

Oracle, GR

For the record, this is not about self-interest. I would have gotten almost all of my land back under the Annan plan (in theory), but still voted against it because I felt it was not right for Cyprus.

My main point is that if our leadership continues the current strategy of having all these pseudo-negotiations while it allows Turkey to proceed without paying any price and while colonising the occupied areas with countless settlers, then all of the occupied land will eventually be lost, because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.

As I mentioned before, the government should block the opening and closing of any chapter for Turkey until it withdraws its troops and settlers from Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

...because you CANNOT kick out 3rd generation settlers.. please try to understand this crucial point.

Where did you get that? How many generations were the indigenous Cypriots when they were ethnically cleansed from their homeland by the Turkish gypsies?