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[Viewpoint]

much more of what?

Partition stance.

[ozlala]

thank you for welcoming me.
I don't think anyone is saying to the Greeks roll over and die nor did we ever wanted to get rid of the Greeks. we didn't even started the initial conflict. If in 1974 Greek army halted the aggression and left it the way it was then turkey would not have taken the action that they did. the Turkish Cypriots would have stayed as a second class citizen and just got on that way.

[Oracle]

thank you for welcoming me.
I don't think anyone is saying to the Greeks roll over and die nor did we ever wanted to get rid of the Greeks. we didn't even started the initial conflict. If in 1974 Greek army halted the aggression and left it the way it was then turkey would not have taken the action that they did. the Turkish Cypriots would have stayed as a second class citizen and just got on that way.

Which one was that?

[Tim Drayton]

"Does Eroğlu seriously want this?"

No Tim he does not. Like most TC and Turkish politicians he goes very much by the motto "the one I show you is not the one I will impale you with". And in any case, where would he live if Gc properties were returned? There is ample evidence that he has been one of the most active dealers in GC property.

That was a rhetorical question, as I am sure you are well aware.

[Tony-4497]

I would only accept if the TCs were to...

1. Take the 12.3% they actually owned and nothing more.

2. Build a 6m wall around themselves.

3. No entry to the RoC whatsoever.

4. No chance of the microstate ever being gifted to Turkey.

I could live with an even higher %.. say 18% or even 20% max (land and coastline)

..but would need solid security guarantees and limits on flow of Turkish settlers in both states too (because the microstate will effectively be part of Turkey whatever the name is)

[Tony-4497]

Happy negotiating, you will get much more of this if the polls are right and he is elected President.

Do you really believe this or just playing naive?

The leader of occupation is nothing more than a sad little puppet of Turkey who cannot even open a roadblock, or even fart, without the prior express approval of Turkey.

It makes f**k all of a difference if he is called Eroglou, Talat or Hasan..

Turkey alone will decide who the negotiator will be and what tune he will be singing (to best serve HER interests, not yours) and not the farce that you like to call "elections"..

[Oracle]

I would only accept if the TCs were to...

1. Take the 12.3% they actually owned and nothing more.

2. Build a 6m wall around themselves.

3. No entry to the RoC whatsoever.

4. No chance of the microstate ever being gifted to Turkey.

I could live with an even higher %.. say 18% or even 20% max (land and coastline)

..but would need solid security guarantees and limits on flow of Turkish settlers in both states too (because the microstate will effectively be part of Turkey whatever the name is)

Don't get carried away. I am sure GR! was joking. It's not about % of land, it's about territorial and sovereign integrity. It's about a future for our children free from the "smash and grab" mentality of their nearest neighbours. By relinquishing even 1% you have given them a prize for their wrongdoings, and they will continue chipping away at our heritage.

We have to do what's right and not give way to blackmail. We're talking thousands of years of civilisation where our people have striven to improve man's lot and here you are talking about just giving away to the foreign invaders "some" land and apologetically asking for "security" and guarantees! Have you learnt nothing?

[Tony-4497]

I would only accept if the TCs were to...

1. Take the 12.3% they actually owned and nothing more.

2. Build a 6m wall around themselves.

3. No entry to the RoC whatsoever.

4. No chance of the microstate ever being gifted to Turkey.

I could live with an even higher %.. say 18% or even 20% max (land and coastline)

..but would need solid security guarantees and limits on flow of Turkish settlers in both states too (because the microstate will effectively be part of Turkey whatever the name is)

Don't get carried away. I am sure GR! was joking. It's not about % of land, it's about territorial and sovereign integrity. It's about a future for our children free from the "smash and grab" mentality of their nearest neighbours. By relinquishing even 1% you have given them a prize for their wrongdoings, and they will continue chipping away at our heritage.

We have to do what's right and not give way to blackmail. We're talking thousands of years of civilisation where our people have striven to improve man's lot and here you are talking about just giving away to the foreign invaders "some" land and apologetically asking for "security" and guarantees! Have you learnt nothing?

Oracle

Do you know of even a single place that Turkey colonised with settlers which was later recovered by its rightful owners?

Sometimes, it's better to amputate a tiny part of your body in order to save the rest.. the alternative solution being discussed will just extend the rule of Turkey (through settlers, not TCs) to the entire island..

But for this to happen though, the part to lose needs to be really small.. otherwise, it makes more sense to keep fighting to save the entire island, through courts and blocking Turkey's EU path..

[EPSILON]

Eroglu today stated that cyprus needs a velvet partition in the likes of czechoslovakia.He stated that the seperation should be agreed by both communities.He noted that people in the North are not concerned anymore for a solution and worry more about the economy.Since it looks like he will be the winner in aprils election i have a few questions:

Is there a G/C LEADER who would agree to a partition that is suitable to both sides?

And if there were a referendum do you think the G/C WOULD VOTE for it?

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/cstory.asp?id=1765025

I can be this person- giving you LOUROUTZINA and a boat to communicate with the rest World

[Malapapa]

Oracle

Do you know of even a single place that Turkey colonised with settlers which was later recovered by its rightful owners?

Here's a map...