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[Tim Drayton]

Let me post here a brief quote that I posted in another thread where an analogy was made with the Czechoslovak "velvet divorce". I think it clearly shows why it was so easy to painlessly split Czechoslovakia. The situation is very different in Cyprus, where the current population distribution is the consequence of recent bloody events.

Linguistic minorities in Slovakia by Martin Votruba (page 6)

http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/sstopics/a ... ovakia.pdf

As opposed to all the other ethnic groups, there are no villages in Slovakia with a traditional or current Czech minority. The approximately 800 year-old stable national border between Slovakia and the Czech lands (i.e. part of the former border between the Kingdom of Hungary and Austria) is a unique border in Central Europe: there is no Slovak-Czech overlap of traditional communities on either side.

[denizaksulu]

To find a solution and leave like brothers and as equals would be the ideal thing but the Greek people because are more then the Turks. if there was to unite again the Turks will always be treated the second class, the Turks before the 1974 and even before 1963/1964 was looked on and treated as second class I have first hand experience. now we are equal because we are separated. I do sympathies with the Greek families that lost loved ones or properties. well the solution with the properties I am sure the politicians will sort out. What I would say is that there is no Greek person that would have a bad experience about the Turks Before 1964. what you will find is with alot of Turkish people was treated very badly. the Greek people has to understand that it was impossible to wipe the Turks from Cyprus. Hitler tried to wipe out the Jewish people which was wrong, but it made the Jewish people unite even stronger. i see that bad language is used against the Turks. all I can say I will not do the same because I feel strong. those that use the foul language must be weak and scared. the sooner the solution the better for everyone. I wish the best for both sides.

Welcome to the CF ozlala. I would like to read more of your opinions here.

Goodluck and enjoy...........if you can.

Regards

[ozlala]

I am sure that there are many examples of different nations that has the upper hand would do and has done. I mean dominate all others. it is happening now with America. I really put the responsibility on America. to solve the Cyprus solution. My history is not all that good But I was in the middle of the conflict when the Greek Cypriots (Makarios) had the plans clear Cyprus of the Turks. It was very scary even though I was very young but old enough to understand. hearing all the losses that each family loosing loved ones and hearing the cryings was very heart breaking this was 1963/1964 I was in the village when the Greeks surrounded my village with the Greek tanks and I could hear 4 miles away all the gun fires we were lucky because my village is in the valley and well protected after the Greeks clearing the nearby village we were spared because they realized that they come up with stiff opposition. all of this was without provocation from the Turks, only because we were Turkish. I had many Greek friends then and still now and do respect them.the older generation know what I am saying but I think they would not express it to the younger generation. I don't think Turkey wanted to dominate the whole Cyprus, they were concerned about the welfare of there fellow Turks. after all Turks in Cyprus are from Turkey and Greeks are from Greece. I am sure if turkey was greedy and power crazy would have taken the whole of Cyprus, and then to say on the negotiation table would draw the Attila line and say we are giving you back the south side and that would have been easier way. but they did not do this, By the way my Family, me personally have properties in the south side which I have not being able to make any use of it.

[EricSeans]

ozlala wrote: "...after all Turks in Cyprus are from Turkey and Greeks are from Greece...."

This is quite an unusual thing for a native Cypriot to say. It's more like what some Brits say on the expat forums like CY44.

Still, welcome to the forum.

[kurupetos]

I am sure that there are many examples of different nations that has the upper hand would do and has done. I mean dominate all others. it is happening now with America. I really put the responsibility on America. to solve the Cyprus solution. My history is not all that good But I was in the middle of the conflict when the Greek Cypriots (Makarios) had the plans clear Cyprus of the Turks. It was very scary even though I was very young but old enough to understand. hearing all the losses that each family loosing loved ones and hearing the cryings was very heart breaking this was 1963/1964 I was in the village when the Greeks surrounded my village with the Greek tanks and I could hear 4 miles away all the gun fires we were lucky because my village is in the valley and well protected after the Greeks clearing the nearby village we were spared because they realized that they come up with stiff opposition. all of this was without provocation from the Turks, only because we were Turkish. I had many Greek friends then and still now and do respect them.the older generation know what I am saying but I think they would not express it to the younger generation. I don't think Turkey wanted to dominate the whole Cyprus, they were concerned about the welfare of there fellow Turks. after all Turks in Cyprus are from Turkey and Greeks are from Greece. I am sure if turkey was greedy and power crazy would have taken the whole of Cyprus, and then to say on the negotiation table would draw the Attila line and say we are giving you back the south side and that would have been easier way. but they did not do this, By the way my Family, me personally have properties in the south side which I have not being able to make any use of it.

Those bad Greeks, shame on them!

[Oracle]

To find a solution and leave like brothers and as equals would be the ideal thing but the Greek people because are more then the Turks. if there was to unite again the Turks will always be treated the second class, the Turks before the 1974 and even before 1963/1964 was looked on and treated as second class I have first hand experience. now we are equal because we are separated. I do sympathies with the Greek families that lost loved ones or properties. well the solution with the properties I am sure the politicians will sort out. What I would say is that there is no Greek person that would have a bad experience about the Turks Before 1964. what you will find is with alot of Turkish people was treated very badly. the Greek people has to understand that it was impossible to wipe the Turks from Cyprus. Hitler tried to wipe out the Jewish people which was wrong, but it made the Jewish people unite even stronger. i see that bad language is used against the Turks. all I can say I will not do the same because I feel strong. those that use the foul language must be weak and scared. the sooner the solution the better for everyone. I wish the best for both sides.

Welcome to the CF ozlala. I would like to read more of your opinions here.

Goodluck and enjoy...........if you can.

Regards

More like dreams and fantasies.

Anyone would think the GCs should have rolled over and died quietly as soon as the Ottomans set foot here. Instead, we tried to survive first as slaves and then as second class citizens with less democratic rights and all the TCs can do is moan that Turkey was not "greedy" enough to take the whole island (again)...

[Viewpoint]

Eroglu today stated that cyprus needs a velvet partition in the likes of czechoslovakia.He stated that the seperation should be agreed by both communities.He noted that people in the North are not concerned anymore for a solution and worry more about the economy.Since it looks like he will be the winner in aprils election i have a few questions:

Is there a G/C LEADER who would agree to a partition that is suitable to both sides?

And if there were a referendum do you think the G/C WOULD VOTE for it?

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/cstory.asp?id=1765025

Happy negotiating, you will get much more of this if the polls are right and he is elected President.

[boulio]

much more of what?

[Nikitas]

"Does Eroğlu seriously want this?"

No Tim he does not. Like most TC and Turkish politicians he goes very much by the motto "the one I show you is not the one I will impale you with". And in any case, where would he live if Gc properties were returned? There is ample evidence that he has been one of the most active dealers in GC property.

[boulio]

DP