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[EPSILON]

It is very well known than both Greece and Cyprus were both out of the ranaissance period and this still affecting both states in many factors.

Can i have posters opinion about the reason this was happen?

As all we know Greek civilization is the basic factor of European culture. Both Cyprus and Greece , being the origin of this civilization-were out!!!why?

I would prefer Turkish people to take position.

Politly please....

[EPSILON]

It is very well known than both Greece and Cyprus were both out of the ranaissance period and this still affecting both states in many factors.

Can i have posters opinion about the reason this was happen?

As all we know Greek civilization is the basic factor of European culture. Both Cyprus and Greece , being the origin of this civilization-were out!!!why?

I would prefer Turkish people to take position.

Politly please....

Any ideas?

[Oracle]

The Renaissance was all about introducing Hellenic ideals and culture to the rest of Europe.

Since these elements were inherent in the everyday life of Greeks, e.g. Greek language, architectural styles etc they did not need re-introduction in the form of the "Renaissance"... But Greece and Cyprus suffered in progressing at their usual phenomenal speed because of enslavement by the Ottoman-Turks.

The rest of the world has also suffered by losing the achievements which free Greeks and Cypriots would have managed, if they were not enslaved.

This of course is continuing for Cyprus and the sooner the EU removes the Turks, the sooner the Cypriots can contribute in their inimitable style to further progress of mankind and civilisation.

[EPSILON]

The Renaissance was all about introducing Hellenic ideals and culture to the rest of Europe.

Since these elements were inherent in the everyday life of Greeks, e.g. Greek language, architectural styles etc they did not need re-introduction in the form of the "Renaissance"... But Greece and Cyprus suffered in progressing at their usual phenomenal speed because of enslavement by the Ottoman-Turks.

The rest of the world has also suffered by losing the achievements which free Greeks and Cypriots would have managed, if they were not enslaved.

This of course is continuing for Cyprus and the sooner the EU removes the Turks, the sooner the Cypriots can contribute in their inimitable style to further progress of mankind and civilisation.

May wish that rest Europe and particularly Turks and MOST PARTICULARLY NEOCYPRIOTS, understand what they did to the humanity and stop playing with the history power - they are so small and they will be finally be demolished-not by us -but by the history itsself.

[Pyrpolizer]

Actually there was one part of Greece that passed through Renaissance (at least the latest period of it) and that was the Heptanise. I think there also existed some sort of a Univerity at heptanisa even before the Kapodistrion of Athens.
Any ideas as to why?

[Pyrpolizer]

Well to make myself clear it is very well known that the Ottomans stagnated all subject states to the Middle Ages. Some remote areas showed some sporadic signs of progress though, as for example is the Taj Mahal in India.
They also builted the blue Mosque and they managed to surpass Ayias Sofias glory.
Of course it took them 700 years to achieve that but then what the hell-they did it anyway.

When I discussed this matter in Cyprob, Zan told me that at least the Ottomans taught their subjects to bathe

[Oracle]

Well to make myself clear it is very well known that the Ottomans stagnated all subject states to the Middle Ages. Some remote areas showed some sporadic signs of progress though, as for example is the Taj Mahal in India.
They also builted the blue Mosque and they managed to surpass Ayias Sofias glory.
Of course it took them 700 years to achieve that but then what the hell-they did it anyway.

When I discussed this matter in Cyprob, Zan told me that at least the Ottomans taught their subjects to bathe

He was ignorant of the Romans' legacy then ...

Seriously, there has never been a scourge on the progress of humanity to the scale of the destruction caused by Ottomans (except that paralleled today by Turks).

[Paphitis]

It is very well known than both Greece and Cyprus were both out of the ranaissance period and this still affecting both states in many factors.

Can i have posters opinion about the reason this was happen?

As all we know Greek civilization is the basic factor of European culture. Both Cyprus and Greece , being the origin of this civilization-were out!!!why?

I would prefer Turkish people to take position.

Politly please....

It is abundantly apparent to me that Greece's pitiful demise into obscurity seems to be in line with the meteoric rise of Christianity and the GO Church, which brought about a cataclysmic end of Greek individuality, philosophy, religion and science.

Greeks have never been quite the same ever since and have since become pretend Greeks with no dignity or self esteem and a laughing stock internationally....

You can read all about the GO Holocaust against Greeks and Cypriots right here!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

[Paphitis]

So what say you Epsilon?

How about we take it slow and propose a total separation of Church and State were men of cloth can keep their opinions to themselves and not promote this Ellinon/Christianon(ENOSIS(?)/Crap) mythology/'oxymoron'?

[Oracle]

... It is abundantly apparent to me that Greece's [b]pitiful demise into obscurity ...

There is no "pitiful demise". The Greeks have moved on; you have not!

Same with the Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Vikings ... etc

More importantly; why have some "nations" not changed for hundreds of years ....