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[paliometoxo]

Just because one has a TRNC ID card does not mean one is permenant resident of TRNC. I have a TRNC card so does my wife and apart from the kids so does thes rest of our families and it's a very large family and we all live in the UK. if you apply the same ratio to the rest of the TC origin based in UK and elsewhere in the world the numbers start racking up.

K

Even some GCs have "trnc" IDs.

bs.. which gc would be stupid enough to want a ID card the fake state produce?

either one with tc relatives? or needs access to somewhere in the north they only allow people with trnc id cards to access?

May be he means the enslaves? but if enslvaves were in these numbers then ....

exactly.. anything is possible with the turks i would not be suprised if he did.

[EPSILON]

I got an ID card in 2002 and my number is around the 240k mark. The article itself is total bollocks, the source being cited as a bank teller. I know the numbers do increase consecutively.

How you can get a number 240k at the time T/cs in north are just 80k?

[CopperLine]

Bir ara Turgut Afşaroğlu söze girdi sohbetin bir yerinde. Ve şu çarpıcı saptamayı aktardı. Bir banka memuru, işlemini yaptığı vatandaşın kimlik kartına bakarken faltaşı gibi açılmış gözleri. Kimlik kartının numarası 970 binlerdeymiş! Biz, KKTC’nin nüfusu Türkiye’den sürekli pompalanan nüfusla 7-8 yüz binlere ulaştı derken meğer ne kadar da iyimser bir tablo koyuyormuşuz ortaya... Buna rağmen, özellikle hamasetçi cephe, verdiğimiz rakamları abartılı buldu her zaman... Hatta sola yakın çevreler içinde bizi ırkçılıkla suçlayanlar bile oldu! İşte numarası 970 binlerde bir kimlik kartı! Bir milyona dayandığımızın resmi belgesi... Hele bir de her numarayı 2-3 kişiye veriyorlarsa! 2 milyonu çoktan geçtik demektir! Şener Levent’in dünkü yazısını okuduktan sonra kafamda bir de bu peydahlandı şimdi. Ledra kapısında Rum polis çavuşu kimliğini görmek istemiş Şener’in. O da vermiş. Sonra tıklamış bilgisayarın tuşlarını çavuş. “Bak” demiş Şener’e, “Bu başka birisine ait bir kimlik. Ama numaralarınız aynı”!

Mehmet Levent is a columnist with the AFRIKA newspaper...He is also Sener Levent's brother...I have a lot of respect for both,both as journalists and humanists,so I was alarmed...

I won't translate it in full,but he is relaying a story he heard from Turgut Afsaroglu,another journalist on AFRIKA...A bank teller apparently told Afsaroglu that he saw a settler with a trnc ID with a number over 970,000...
Levent is taking this as proof that the number of settlers are now reaching the million mark in the North....

I want to ask Viewpoint and Halil a simple question>>>>
Is there any possibility that this is true??? Could there be nearly 1 million settlers in the trnc????

The link for the quote is below:

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.php?name=Kose_Yazilari&op=viewarticle&artid=6026

970,000 persons divided by 1,295 sq miles gives a population density of just short of 750 persons per square mile, or about 290 persons per square kilometre. For purposes of comparison, in the year 2000 population density for the island of Cyprus was 85 persons per square kilometre, and for 2001 the population density of Islington was 118,000 per square kilometre,and Southend was 3,800 per square kilometre.

One source (turkish trade promotion office) which could have reasons to inflate the population density gives a figure for the north as having a population density of 63.6 persons per square km, for 2002.

Let's say that c.2002 the population density in the north was around about 65 to 85 persons per square kilometre and Afsaroglu is now claiming a population density of 290 persons per square kilometre, that entails a 4.4 or 3.4 fold increase in less than 10 years.

Birth rates (measured per thousand per annum) in the north seems to be around about 12.6/1000; in Cyprus as a whole it is about 13.27/1000; Turkey it is about 18.6/1000; UK about 11.76/1000)

The sum of all this is that Afsaroglu's extrapolation is so highly, highly implausible as to be impossible.

[kurupetos]

Just because one has a TRNC ID card does not mean one is permenant resident of TRNC. I have a TRNC card so does my wife and apart from the kids so does thes rest of our families and it's a very large family and we all live in the UK. if you apply the same ratio to the rest of the TC origin based in UK and elsewhere in the world the numbers start racking up.

K

Even some GCs have "trnc" IDs.

bs.. which gc would be stupid enough to want a ID card the fake state produce?

either one with tc relatives? or needs access to somewhere in the north they only allow people with trnc id cards to access?

May be he means the enslaves? but if enslvaves were in these numbers then ....

Spot on Epsilon.

Οι εγκλωβισμένοι δίνουν από τη βοήθεια που παίρνουν από την κυβέρνηση στους γείτονές τους κι εκείνοι τους βοηθούν στις γεωργικές εργασίες. Αυτή, όμως, η ανθρώπινη συμπεριφορά σε καμία περίπτωση δεν αναιρεί τη σχέση μεταξύ κατακτητή και σκλάβου. Τα πρώτα χρόνια μετά την εισβολή, όταν οι Ελληνοκύπριοι ήταν πλειονότητα, τα παιδιά των εποίκων μάθαιναν ελληνικά. Τώρα, τα πράγματα έχουν αντιστραφεί. Τα παιδιά των Ελληνοκυπρίων μαθαίνουν τουρκικά, ενώ και οι γονείς τους κατανοούν πλέον την τουρκική γλώσσα. Οι εγκλωβισμένοι, όπως μάθαμε να λέμε τους σκλαβωμένους της Καρπασίας, υποχρεωτικά έχουν προσαρμοστεί στις απαιτήσεις του καθεστώτος. Εχουν πολιτική ταυτότητα του ψευδοκράτους, έχουν εγγράψει τα αυτοκίνητά τους στις αρχές του καθεστώτος και συμμορφώνονται προς τις υποδείξεις των «οργάνων ασφαλείας». Με μία μόνο επίσκεψή μου στην Καρπασία, και μάλιστα με τόσους περιορισμούς στις κινήσεις μου, δεν μπορώ να πω ότι έχω σχηματίσει πλήρη εικόνα για τις συνθήκες διαβίωσης των εγκλωβισμένων. Ενιωσα, όμως, έντονο το αίσθημα καταπίεσης που βαραίνει τους περίπου 200 σκλαβωμένους Ελληνοκυπρίους που ζουν εκεί. Το 1975 υπήρχαν στα κατεχόμενα 17.000 εγκλωβισμένοι, αλλά ύστερα από την εφαρμογή ενός σχεδίου εθνικού ξεκαθαρίσματος έμειναν 200 ψυχές, στη μεγάλη πλειονότητά τους ηλικιωμένοι. Αυτοί και μόνον οι αριθμοί είναι αρκετοί για να καταδείξουν τη ρατσιστική πολιτική του καθεστώτος προς τους Ελληνοκυπρίους.

http://www.makarios.eu/cgibin/hweb?-A=3 ... shcypriots

[humanist]

600,000 ............. 1,000,000 the reality it represents is that Turkey and its puppet Mr Talat show that their aim is to change demographics and we are no closer to a re unification in 2010 than we were in 1974 following the aftermath of the invasion.

[BirKibrisli]

Most of the houses in north has got more than 2 cars, with very basic calculation u figure out how many cars can be registered in north . say every house population is four and almost every individual has own car . Most of the houses has more than one ISDN lines and almost every one has mobile phones .

Wow - poor isolated poverty stricken Turkish Cypriots.

Do not measure a community's richness by the number of cars or mobiles they own,DR J...The TC community is poor because their political will and power,plus their right to self-determination and self-preservation have been taken away...First by the GCs and now by Turkey...

[Acikgoz]

Expat, the influx of Turks from Anatolia was a symptom of the problem that has become an issue on its own merits. This will be more of an intractable issue as the solution date is now being moved to an indeterminate date in the future. All persons born in Cyprus, married to a Cypriot, have children that were born in Cyprus will automatically be allowed to stay. Not only that they will have made their lives more permanent. UBP favours this policy and with the GCs playing silly buggers with Turkey's EU membership talks, don't expect sensitivity and understanding.

Some part of me is saddened to see things change, but to be overall I am indifferent on the issue as a TC. I don't like the criminal element, but I am sure in the South too there was little crime and violence before the urbanisation.
At present they assist in the economy by doing much of the work the lazy TCs are unwilling to do. Also they are likely to be the catalyst for the new round of investment we are likely to see in the TRNC in the next few years.

[BirKibrisli]

Expat, the influx of Turks from Anatolia was a symptom of the problem that has become an issue on its own merits. This will be more of an intractable issue as the solution date is now being moved to an indeterminate date in the future. All persons born in Cyprus, married to a Cypriot, have children that were born in Cyprus will automatically be allowed to stay. Not only that they will have made their lives more permanent. UBP favours this policy and with the GCs playing silly buggers with Turkey's EU membership talks, don't expect sensitivity and understanding.

Some part of me is saddened to see things change, but to be overall I am indifferent on the issue as a TC. I don't like the criminal element, but I am sure in the South too there was little crime and violence before the urbanisation.
At present they assist in the economy by doing much of the work the lazy TCs are unwilling to do. Also they are likely to be the catalyst for the new round of investment we are likely to see in the TRNC in the next few years.

And why do you think the TCs have become lazy,as you put it???
Is it in their genes,or could there be other social and political factors????

[Acikgoz]

Social and political factors for sure - certainly not a gene thing, tks for pulling me up on a poorly expressed generalisation.

[BirKibrisli]

Social and political factors for sure - certainly not a gene thing, tks for pulling me up on a poorly expressed generalisation.

You are welcome!