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[Expatkiwi]

plus its not your concern what we do with our island you should be worried about your own country

It was not a lot of countries direct concerns about South Africa during the apartheid years, but they still managed to force the SA government to accept majority rule. In any case, RoCy does require international support in order to maintain its stance. Are you saying that such support is unwelcome since "it doesn't concern them, being non-Cypriot"?

[paliometoxo]

yes worry about your own country before you pass judgment espesially when you have it wrong and you condone murder rape of little 13 year old girls and the occupiers who came to cyprus by killing 20,000 cypritos for no reason simply because they where celebrating..

your only saying that so you dont lose your cheap stolen land in the sun and dont care at what cost it came who was thrown and murderd out from the home.

1974 invasion was like the twin towers only it has lasted so much longer. would you call teleban heroes and thje innocent ones? america si to blame ?

[Expatkiwi]

yes worry about your own country before you pass judgment espesially when you have it wrong and you condone murder rape of little 13 year old girls and the occupiers who came to cyprus by killing 20,000 cypritos for no reason simply because they where celebrating..

your only saying that so you dont lose your cheap stolen land in the sun and dont care at what cost it came who was thrown and murderd out from the home.

1974 invasion was like the twin towers only it has lasted so much longer. would you call teleban heroes and thje innocent ones? america si to blame ?

I don't condone forced evictions and rapine, but wasn't such brigandage done by GC paramilitaries in the mid-60's to the Turkish Cypriots, which is anouther reason why they moved into enclaves?

[DT.]

yes worry about your own country before you pass judgment espesially when you have it wrong and you condone murder rape of little 13 year old girls and the occupiers who came to cyprus by killing 20,000 cypritos for no reason simply because they where celebrating..

your only saying that so you dont lose your cheap stolen land in the sun and dont care at what cost it came who was thrown and murderd out from the home.

1974 invasion was like the twin towers only it has lasted so much longer. would you call teleban heroes and thje innocent ones? america si to blame ?

I don't condone forced evictions and rapine, but wasn't such brigandage done by GC paramilitaries in the mid-60's to the Turkish Cypriots, which is anouther reason why they moved into enclaves?

How many women were raped in the 60's how many in the 70's? How many GC's how many TC's?

You want to use women being raped as a political argument then go ahead, but tell the whole story. I know from my mother in law how many were raped in 74 and what ages they were. Wanna swap horror stories? Do you know any? DO you want some?

[BirKibrisli]

yes worry about your own country before you pass judgment espesially when you have it wrong and you condone murder rape of little 13 year old girls and the occupiers who came to cyprus by killing 20,000 cypritos for no reason simply because they where celebrating..

your only saying that so you dont lose your cheap stolen land in the sun and dont care at what cost it came who was thrown and murderd out from the home.

1974 invasion was like the twin towers only it has lasted so much longer. would you call teleban heroes and thje innocent ones? america si to blame ?

I don't condone forced evictions and rapine, but wasn't such brigandage done by GC paramilitaries in the mid-60's to the Turkish Cypriots, which is anouther reason why they moved into enclaves?

How many women were raped in the 60's how many in the 70's? How many GC's how many TC's?

You want to use women being raped as a political argument then go ahead, but tell the whole story. I know from my mother in law how many were raped in 74 and what ages they were. Wanna swap horror stories? Do you know any? DO you want some?

That would be useful at a Truth and Reconciliation Tribunal hearing,DT...But please spare us the details here...and don't you make the same mistake as most posters here,who measure pain and suffering by numbers...Such things cannot be quantified and must be condemned without qualification at all times...

[bill cobbett]

Bir, can I ask you a question please? On this question of numbers? Let's remove ourselves from matters of CY where we have our entrenched positions.

Earlier this evening, and sure many here did same, was watching the appalling news on TV of the earthquake in Haiti with 50,000 poor people losing their lives, '000s terribly injured, 000,000s made homeless and short of food and water. By any standards a terrible, terrible disaster.

Elsewhere, in other disasters, the death toll, the suffering has been much smaller. For example, here in GB the snow and ice of the past three weeks has claimed the lives of some thirty people.

Which has led to the greatest amount of human suffering?

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, can I ask you a question please? On this question of numbers? Let's remove ourselves from matters of CY where we have our entrenched positions.

Earlier this evening, and sure many here did same, was watching the appalling news on TV of the earthquake in Haiti with 50,000 poor people losing their lives, '000s terribly injured, 000,000s made homeless and short of food and water. By any standards a terrible, terrible disaster.

Elsewhere, in other disasters, the death toll, the suffering has been much smaller. For example, here in GB the snow and ice of the past three weeks has claimed the lives of some thirty people.

Which has led to the greatest amount of human suffering?

Bill, human suffering and loss is very subjective and emotional...
You cannot express it in numbers...You ,for example,would certainly be more affected if one of your loved-ones,say your wife or son or daughter,died (heaven forbid) suddenly one their way home tonight,than all the deads in Haiti combined....another person would probably suffer more by seeing their pet dog die in front of them than the news of all the dead in Haiti...Pain and loss is very personal...You can't tell someone who have lost a loved-one in any tragedy to take comfort in the fact that other's died somewhere else in the world and in greater numbers at the same time...That is how it is,we grieve for those we know and love...all other deaths we can have empathy with but would not affect us as much...don't you agree????

[denizaksulu]

There is also the question of 'natural disasters versus evil man'.

[DT.]

1 person dead is a tragedy 1000's dead is a statistic. Isn't that what they say?

[Paphitis]

Journalists also say - "if it bleeds it leads"....