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[BirKibrisli]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Irrelevant nonsense until you tell us about the type of solution you would like to see in Cyprus!

You have no idea what I am on about,Paphidis...do us all a favour and keep your mouth shut please...Lets see what MP thinks of my post...

Please go back and read my post idiot!

I have known what your all about for a very long time.

Can you please clarify about what kind of BBF you desire and how this won't be etched in stone, because methinks you are in fairy land....

A BBF can mean many things!

This idiot has finally learnt his lesson...I will never respond to a post by you again...have a nice life ,and enjoy the partition or the all-out-war,whichever comes first...

[BirKibrisli]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Irrelevant nonsense until you tell us about the type of solution you would like to see in Cyprus!

You have no idea what I am on about,Paphidis...do us all a favour and keep your mouth shut please...Lets see what MP thinks of my post...

Keep hi mouth shut!!!i his coming on arms power legal system? Get clean the shoes of the GREEKS of Cyprus as you use to do o many years and do not have open ideas-prohibited in this Island for your race.

Another one beats the dust...oh,well....

[Oracle]

... True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...

In that case there are no "true Cypriots" in the Turkish occupied section of Cyprus.

Keep your "compassion" and "empathy" away if it means legalising and justifying the occupation.

The hatred and bitterness is in your every post, making exaggerated claims of suffering on behalf of the TCs ... obscured by history, but kept alive by your hate so that you can feel deserved of your much demanded GAINS.

[Paphitis]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Irrelevant nonsense until you tell us about the type of solution you would like to see in Cyprus!

You have no idea what I am on about,Paphidis...do us all a favour and keep your mouth shut please...Lets see what MP thinks of my post...

Please go back and read my post idiot!

I have known what your all about for a very long time.

Can you please clarify about what kind of BBF you desire and how this won't be etched in stone, because methinks you are in fairy land....

A BBF can mean many things!

This idiot has finally learnt his lesson...I will never respond to a post by you again...have a nice life ,and enjoy the partition or the all-out-war,whichever comes first...

You don't have the answer then or fear that your agenda has been exposed for what it is!

Please tell us all about this BBF and how it won't be etched in stone. Will the GCs get their land back, be able to return to their homes?

So far, the only thing you have mentioned is that a few thousand Turkish Troops should remain as a measure of empathy and trust!

Would you like to add anything else?

[EPSILON]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Their are posters here shoed hemselves as the "good side" like you.

Solution is only one. Get away of Cyprus and allow this island to go to its destiny which your race stopped in 1959. Let it be a second Greek state. You are so shettler (T/cs) like new sheltlers are. Get out of Cyprus, get out of he Greek civilization -it can jot affort you and , even centuries passed, you will be out like bad foot in the stomach- you nd the stupid G/cs supporting our plans..

Thanks,Epsilon...I am sure Turkey and the TCs will seriously consider your kind offer...When we go,shall we take our dead ancestors,places of worship etc , with us???
Or will they be safely looked after by the Greeks of Cyprus????

Thanks for your polite reply-it shows the superiority of the Turkish civilization -after so many years with us you learned many things. Unfortunatetly for you , some of us-because of so many years we became-like you and therefore now you hv the problem.

[Oracle]

...Turkey can reduce her soldiers ....

Here is your TRUE CYPRIOT Miltiades in all his glory. What "empathy and compassion" he feels for the GCs!

How 'generously' he will allow a reduction in Turkish troops ... and how MANY will we be stuck with forever? 40,000 or 35,000?

This is his solution to the Cyprus problem ....

[Malapapa]

BirKibrisli, it boils down to TC insistence (or lack of say in the matter) in keeping soldiers from Turkey on the island.

I am a reasonable person but there is no empathy and no compassion in this approach, given the unpunished crimes against humanity their fathers in arms committed in 1974.

[EPSILON]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Their are posters here shoed hemselves as the "good side" like you.

Solution is only one. Get away of Cyprus and allow this island to go to its destiny which your race stopped in 1959. Let it be a second Greek state. You are so shettler (T/cs) like new sheltlers are. Get out of Cyprus, get out of he Greek civilization -it can jot affort you and , even centuries passed, you will be out like bad foot in the stomach- you nd the stupid G/cs supporting our plans..

Thanks,Epsilon...I am sure Turkey and the TCs will seriously consider your kind offer...When we go,shall we take our dead ancestors,places of worship etc , with us???
Or will they be safely looked after by the Greeks of Cyprus????

When you say ancestors i can not nderstand what ou mean-the few Turkish sildiers died in 1974 (by accident of course) or your Otomans invators?

Both are considered for us the same-we can create a dompe with all invators in- including Venetians/Arabs/Your famous nation/British- no difference at all for the original people of Cyprus.They -all-will tak there part in the Island's black pages of history...

[Paphitis]

...Turkey can reduce her soldiers ....

Here is your TRUE CYPRIOT Miltiades in all his glory. What "empathy and compassion" he feels for the GCs!

How 'generously' he will allow a reduction in Turkish troops ... and how MANY will we be stuck with forever? 40,000 or 35,000?

This is his solution to the Cyprus problem ....

And by the same token, will Greece then be allowed to also keep 10,000-20,000 troops on Cyprus for our protection against any Turkish adventurism?

And if Greece and Turkey are allowed to keep troops on Cyprus, one might very well ask about this so called empathy and trust, and exactly how independent Cyprus will be under this undefined BBF!

[Paphitis]

Miltiades needs to understand that only Kikapu, Deniz and umit07 are the only TCs who are True Cypriots, for Bir is just as scandalous and anti Cyprus as VP, Expat, Zan, and Runaway. He only dresses like a lamb but is in actual fact a Grey Wolf!