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[EPSILON]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?

Can I ask are you based in Cyprus ?
The monstrosity of a flag on our Cypriot mountains , statues of foreign leaders past and present are a sore for most Cypriots , T/Cs included.
Lets get our house in order first and also let us begin to act as we preach , ie that Cyprus is an independent nation and not a part of either Greece or Turkey because by continuing the promotion of Greece by using IT'S anthem and flag we are concurring fully with Turkeys position that on this island there are two nations. We are , without realizing perhaps , promoting Turkish propaganda , we are saying loud and clear that we are "Greek Cyprus " not Cyprus .Can you see the hypocrisy in this .

We are Greeks and you -propaganta affected old man- are so little to change this. Take your friends of North and ask asylum in your great Nation of British. There is no further space for not Greeks in Cyprus. Christofias, fortunatetly was the end of them.After this part of history be ended, i will spend all my economies to build fo him a great status as the savor of Greeks n Cyprus-He/you are the best security that Greeks of the Island will wake up and put you where you belong-in th dark pages of Cyprus history

[miltiades]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?

Can I ask are you based in Cyprus ?
The monstrosity of a flag on our Cypriot mountains , statues of foreign leaders past and present are a sore for most Cypriots , T/Cs included.
Lets get our house in order first and also let us begin to act as we preach , ie that Cyprus is an independent nation and not a part of either Greece or Turkey because by continuing the promotion of Greece by using IT'S anthem and flag we are concurring fully with Turkeys position that on this island there are two nations. We are , without realizing perhaps , promoting Turkish propaganda , we are saying loud and clear that we are "Greek Cyprus " not Cyprus .Can you see the hypocrisy in this .

Practice what we preach?

What's that you imbecile. All GCs are Cypriot first and foremost, but that does not mean they should abolish/abandon any real or perceived Hellenic inheritance if they don't want to.

But let's say they do. Then what?

You are utterly immature and rather stupid at times. Are we or are we not an independent nation with part of our nation under the occupation of Turkey . If we are that and not as Turkey insists " Greek Cyprus" then we must erase from our government buildings the flag of Greece the promotion of which is in accordance with Turkeys position.
Now stop being fucking stupid and understand the point that is made here.
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Vuryek , Iceman , Umit 07 are all Cypriots first and foremost , their allegiance is to Cyprus NOT to Greece , do you understand this ?

[BirKibrisli]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

[paliometoxo]

whats up now 4 fcuk sake

Nothing happen dear, just G/cs starting to realize with whom they are negotiating with.Just with bastards of history who are trying to create a state with the force of arms.But hey are making (G/cs) and of course these who are represented by the North flag a huge mistake.

"Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ"

your no better then they are when your calling cyprus greek and us greeks of cyprus..

[Malapapa]

We are Greeks and you -propaganta affected old man- are so little to change this. Take your friends of North and ask asylum in your great Natio of British. There is no further space for not Greeks in Cyprus. Christofias, fortunatetly was the end of them.After this part of history be ended i will spend all my economies to build fo him a great status as the avor of Greeks n Cyprus-He/you are the best security that Greeks of the Island will wake up and put you where you belong-in th dark pages of Cyprus history

http://www.britishcouncil.org/greece-en ... athens.htm

[Paphitis]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?

Can I ask are you based in Cyprus ?
The monstrosity of a flag on our Cypriot mountains , statues of foreign leaders past and present are a sore for most Cypriots , T/Cs included.
Lets get our house in order first and also let us begin to act as we preach , ie that Cyprus is an independent nation and not a part of either Greece or Turkey because by continuing the promotion of Greece by using IT'S anthem and flag we are concurring fully with Turkeys position that on this island there are two nations. We are , without realizing perhaps , promoting Turkish propaganda , we are saying loud and clear that we are "Greek Cyprus " not Cyprus .Can you see the hypocrisy in this .

Practice what we preach?

What's that you imbecile. All GCs are Cypriot first and foremost, but that does not mean they should abolish/abandon any real or perceived Hellenic inheritance if they don't want to.

But let's say they do. Then what?

You are utterly immature and rather stupid at times. Are we or are we not an independent nation with part of our nation under the occupation of Turkey . If we are that and not as Turkey insists " Greek Cyprus" then we must erase from our government buildings the flag of Greece the promotion of which is in accordance with Turkeys position.
Now stop being fucking stupid and understand the point that is made here.
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Vuryek , Iceman , Umit 07 are all Cypriots first and foremost , their allegiance is to Cyprus NOT to Greece , do you understand this ?

Cyprus is not 'Greek Cyprus' but a nations inheritance is quite irrelevant. Greeks and Cypriots live in many countries that are also independent, and whether Cypriot culture is so consummate with Hellenism or not, it would not make one iota of a difference to Turkey and its continued occupation.

You can bend over backwards all you like, but you are not dealing with the 20,000 or so TCs remaining who are sympathetic, but with Turkey and its geostrategic aims to annex ALL of Cyprus over time.

[EPSILON]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?

Can I ask are you based in Cyprus ?
The monstrosity of a flag on our Cypriot mountains , statues of foreign leaders past and present are a sore for most Cypriots , T/Cs included.
Lets get our house in order first and also let us begin to act as we preach , ie that Cyprus is an independent nation and not a part of either Greece or Turkey because by continuing the promotion of Greece by using IT'S anthem and flag we are concurring fully with Turkeys position that on this island there are two nations. We are , without realizing perhaps , promoting Turkish propaganda , we are saying loud and clear that we are "Greek Cyprus " not Cyprus .Can you see the hypocrisy in this .

Practice what we preach?

What's that you imbecile. All GCs are Cypriot first and foremost, but that does not mean they should abolish/abandon any real or perceived Hellenic inheritance if they don't want to.

But let's say they do. Then what?

You are utterly immature and rather stupid at times. Are we or are we not an independent nation with part of our nation under the occupation of Turkey . If we are that and not as Turkey insists " Greek Cyprus" then we must erase from our government buildings the flag of Greece the promotion of which is in accordance with Turkeys position.
Now stop being fucking stupid and understand the point that is made here.
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Vuryek , Iceman , Umit 07 are all Cypriots first and foremost , their allegiance is to Cyprus NOT to Greece , do you understand this ?

OI RE We do not understand- Cyprus people (we) not belong to Turkey or Greece BUT WE ARE GREEKS kai sas exoume gramennous ke esena kai tous allous bastardous ths istorias- ,do you understand this?

[Paphitis]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?

Can I ask are you based in Cyprus ?
The monstrosity of a flag on our Cypriot mountains , statues of foreign leaders past and present are a sore for most Cypriots , T/Cs included.
Lets get our house in order first and also let us begin to act as we preach , ie that Cyprus is an independent nation and not a part of either Greece or Turkey because by continuing the promotion of Greece by using IT'S anthem and flag we are concurring fully with Turkeys position that on this island there are two nations. We are , without realizing perhaps , promoting Turkish propaganda , we are saying loud and clear that we are "Greek Cyprus " not Cyprus .Can you see the hypocrisy in this .

We are Greeks and you -propaganta affected old man- are so little to change this. Take your friends of North and ask asylum in your great Nation of British. There is no further space for not Greeks in Cyprus. Christofias, fortunatetly was the end of them.After this part of history be ended, i will spend all my economies to build fo him a great status as the savor of Greeks n Cyprus-He/you are the best security that Greeks of the Island will wake up and put you where you belong-in th dark pages of Cyprus history

Speak for yourself!

I am Cypriot, and any further clarification is unnecessary and irrelevant.

Even the Greeks in Greece are NOT Greek as they seem to have lost their way and bear no resemblance whatsoever to their flamboyant ancestors!

A nation of cowards is just that!

[Paphitis]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

Now we start the real work of building mutual trust and respect...
When everyone is serious about finding a solution,instead of scoring political points with misinformation and propaganda,we can establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission....To examine objectively what happened in the past and how can we make ammends and what lessons can we learn...If we can be honest and open,the families of the missing and the dead can finally get some satisfaction...so can the people who have become refugees...We can start to talk about a workable solution,initially a BBF which will not set in stone ethnic divisions...Turkey can reduce her soldiers,we can establish a NG which will inspire confidence in all Cypriots,we can introduce a common national anthem to be used on international ocassions,open up Varosia for settlement(this area can become a prototype for a united Cyprus,we could encourage mixed settlement there for example).We can stop provocative practices like celebrating Greek and Turkish national holidays,flying their flags etc...

There is so much that can be done,MP...Denying our part in this mess and blaming everything on the other side is just a recipe for disaster...It seems we have not learnt this simple lesson in 50 odd years...

Irrelevant nonsense until you tell us about the type of solution you would like to see in Cyprus! BBF can mean many things, and if this is the type of solution we get, it will be etched in stone.

Obviously, the empathy and mutual trust does not exist on your side otherwise it would not be necessary to keep any Turkish troops in Cyprus.

[paliometoxo]

how many of the tcs are cypritos that converted to muslim to avoid taxes?? some of the tcs only speak greek and no turkish..

your thinking is like dicktash when he says cyprus is turkish we are turks of cyprus.. you sound just like him exept your saying greek. its what will keep the island devided forever spreading hate for tcs...

the tcs are very good people.. its the turks mainland turks you should be hating.