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[miltiades]

Our writing styles are totally different… her English is more British whereas mine is more Aussie/US influenced. Plus, she has a richer vocabulary than I and that makes her a better story/gossip/column writer (she’ll probably hate me for this), but I’m better with technical reporting.

You have a clarity of style which suggests you also think systematically. No one can argue with the relevance of your statements (except fools). I can be technical if I'm aiming at scientists; but, there's no point on the forum. Besides, you know more technical stuff about the CyProb and can argue with data. I'm more cynical and react to those who try to pass off incomplete information filled to suit their agenda, and that's usually emotive.

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

[BirKibrisli]

Our writing styles are totally different… her English is more British whereas mine is more Aussie/US influenced. Plus, she has a richer vocabulary than I and that makes her a better story/gossip/column writer (she’ll probably hate me for this), but I’m better with technical reporting.

You have a clarity of style which suggests you also think systematically. No one can argue with the relevance of your statements (except fools). I can be technical if I'm aiming at scientists; but, there's no point on the forum. Besides, you know more technical stuff about the CyProb and can argue with data. I'm more cynical and react to those who try to pass off incomplete information filled to suit their agenda, and that's usually emotive.

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

[Malapapa]

What? Denktash would leave his son-in-law to rot in a place like Arkansas? I don't think so. (Actually, I don't think Denktash had any daughters, only sons.)

According to Wiki he has two daughters.

[Tim Drayton]

What? Denktash would leave his son-in-law to rot in a place like Arkansas? I don't think so. (Actually, I don't think Denktash had any daughters, only sons.)

According to Wiki he has two daughters.

Interesting.

[Malapapa]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

[Tim Drayton]

It seems Rauf Denktash had twin daughters named Ender and Değer.

[halil]

It seems Rauf Denktash had twin daughters named Ender and Değer.

eeeee günaydıııın Tiiiimmmmm .

ya angoniler ?

[miltiades]

Relevance of GRs statements , here is a summary:
Bush is a war criminal 3000 posts
The USA is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Britain is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Israel is commiting war crimes 3000 posts
Lets declare war on Turkey 3000 posts .

He does however posses much information on the Cyprob and that is where 15000 posts should be directed and not venting his hatred for the West .
His contribution to a just and peaceful resolution of the Cyprob is precisely ZERO , in fact about the same as yours O. !!
If you now examine closely Birs posts you will see that he sees both sides of the argument and presents a view that many T/Cs have .
On the hand , people such as I who have consistently opposed ferociously the pseudo state and the occupation of a part of our island are seen by T/Cs as people that can be trusted because we also have shown empathy to the suffering of the T/Cs in the hands of the extremists. Neither the G/C or T/C extremists contributed anything more that pain and suffering to the people of this island and the reason of our island being partly under the occupation of Turkey is because of these extremists.
I have never condoned the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus , have never recognized the existence of the pseudo state other than as the creation of Turkey . I have always believed that the only power capable of removing the occupying troops is that of the T/Cs , however when faced with such animosity and hatred it is unlikely that they will try hard to do so.
There are thousands of T/Cs , indigenous to Cyprus , amongst them Birkibrisly who states what he believes , and rightly so , but has never referred to the Greeks or the G/Cs in the manner that some refer to the Turks or T/Cs.
The facts are clear . T/Cs are here to stay , the Turkish troops however are not , its up to us how to deal with this situation .

Thank you for that post,miltiades...
True Cypriots might not be in the majority,but they are the ones with empaty and compassion in their hearts for their compatriots,not hatred and bitterness...You have rightly pointed out, these fanatics who are making light of other people's pain,and who keep talking about war,and who unashamedly try to dehumanise a whole nation,will have on their hands the blood of all those innocent GCs and TCs who have perished in this mindless conflict...Time will prove us right...they will go down in history as the true partitionists,the people who completed the job the British,The Greek and Turkish governments,The EOKA and the TMT (not to mention others) could not finish...Pox on their houses,I say...

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU , we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots , we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.
Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

[Tim Drayton]

It seems Rauf Denktash had twin daughters named Ender and Değer.

eeeee günaydıııın Tiiiimmmmm .

ya angoniler ?

Tünaydıııııııııııııııııın Halilciiiiiiiiiiiiiiğiiiiiiiiim! Kaç tane angoni oluğunu bilemem. Arkansas eyaletinde oturan var mı, acaba?

[Malapapa]

OK. So we have empathy and compassion, not hatred and bitterness. We don't make light of other people's pain and don't keep talking about war.

Now what?

We continue our political battle as an independent nation member of the UN and the EU ,

Yes.

we recognize that this island is equally owned by all Cypriots ,

Yes. Equally owned by all Cypriots who are equally responsible for its well-being and independence

we recognize and do something about our two faced diplomacy where on the one hand we tell the world that ALL of Cyprus is for ALL Cypriots while on the other hand we exclude the non G/Cs by flying the Greek flag on government buildings

Does this still happen? I thought people were wising up. If so, it's stupid. Hurry up and get the flags under control.

therefore putting two fingers up to those that are not G/Cs or to those G/Cs such as my self whose only allegiance is to the nation that is recognized internationally as a sovereign state , the nation of Cyprus. O nouros to shillou en ishionni.
What the fuck are we doing to Cyprus. Do we want Cyprus to continue its struggle as an independent nation or do we want to gift what we have left to Greece.
We shall NEVER learn. We are Cypriots , our flag is that of the RoC as recognized by all. Our national anthem is a fucking slap in the face for those of us who are aligned to Greece and neither do we consider Greece to be anything other than a related country.

Errr, national anthem? Yes. It should be changed.

Embrace our Cypriotness , actively encourage the T/Cs to do so too but show them with action and not words that we are genuine.
Down with all foreign flags depicting our island as bastard nation .

Great. Assuming that's all done (and it's taking time to convince some, given the psychology of the 40,000 foreign troops, the gloating flag on the mountain in lights, the settlers, the carpetbaggers, the mosques, the Ataturk statues, the desecration of churches and graveyards, the memories of the horrors of 1974, etc)... now what?