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Talat’s Plan B?

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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:32 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:If I belonged to one of the families whose members were taken from their sick beds and murdered by evil thugs I would not even spit on you for that frivilous reply...Or on second thoughts,perhaps I would... :twisted:

You mean “frivolous” you frivolous speller! :roll:

UNFICYP, commenced their stay on Cyprus in Jan 1964 and by the same time the following year the UN secretary general, came up with that conclsusive statement after being briefed by UNFICYP (who were observers all over the island) for a whole year!

Your people even killed two UN officers for Christ’s sake! :?

If all that is not damning I don’t know what is! :shock:
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:32 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote: . ... In 63 TCs were being taken out of their beds in hospitals,never to be seen again...


Any evidence as to who took them, or numbers?

"The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand exaggerated the facts to stress their justification..." Ulus Irkad


I am not in the mood to waste my time with you tonight,Oracle...
You can find out how and how many TCs disappeared from Nicosia Hospital during the events of 63/64....If you really want to know that is...


Oh, you mean you don't know! What a surprise. :roll: It's so easy to just throw out some exaggerated generalisations and then plead "it's a waste of time" to try and back them up with evidence. How convenient.

Sleep well. :wink:
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Postby Hermes » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:02 pm

Paphitis wrote:Talat now seems to want the EU and the international community to say that if the talks collapse because of the GCs then international recognition of the Turkish Cypriot state might be possible. Without this possibility he believes that GCs will never ever agree to a compromise. “They must be told what they might lose if they remain adamant,” he is quoted as saying during a closed-door meeting.

Quite laughable! :lol:



Is this for real? I almost pissed myself laughing. Turkey's plan B is to put forward more and more ridiculous proposals in order to collapse the talks so that the ROC will panic and accept a solution on Turkish terms? This is what was dreamt up in a closed-door meeting of Turkey's chief policy experts? This is the best of Turkish brains? Oh dear. I can't wait for a plan C...
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Postby Malapapa » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:55 pm

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Is this for real? I almost pissed myself laughing. Turkey's plan B is to put forward more and more ridiculous proposals in order to collapse the talks so that the ROC will panic and accept a solution on Turkish terms? This is what was dreamt up in a closed-door meeting of Turkey's chief policy experts? This is the best of Turkish brains? Oh dear. I can't wait for a plan C...


Wasn't this the strategy with the Annan plan? Make it ridiculous enough so that it wouldn't be accepted and then call for partition.
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Postby Acikgoz » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:03 pm

Looking at it more closely it really comes down to allowing the existing settlers to stay there as Greeks from the mainland have done on the south.
I like the 2 air regions idea, go on Talat, bit of forward planning this time.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:19 pm

YFred wrote:
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Acikgoz wrote:GCs didn't like a plan based on UN established principles which would have lead to a united Cyprus - Papad even declared EU would get RoC what they wanted!
Who's trying to manipulate whom?
Any chance GCs go back to a 1960 constitution? What and kill the b'stard child of the GCS?
Get with the program. Point the finger at yourselves, lying, cheating, manipulating low lives.


Açikgöz, Annan Plan was defeated by 55.5% vs 44.5% by all those who voted on both sides of the divide by all Cypriots (and settlers), so respect the will of the people. It had to have been a very bad plan to receive such a landslide defeat. Just accept it.! :idea:

You know very well it was not a fair vote. The very person who negotiated the deal not recommending it and appearing on TV for 2 hours crying and begging the Greek Cypriots who are on the whole of peasants stock to vote against it with most of the media against it too. Come now, you sense of fair play has deserted you yet again.
Did you see the discussion few months back when N Kizilyurek mentioned on GC TV about the atrocities by the GCs and being quickly covered up. You are a laughing stock going around pretending that vote was fair and should be respected.


The result was what the result was. End of story. Nobody put a gun onto the heads of those who voted OXI on both sides of the divide. The end result was, 55.5% AGAINST and 44.5% FOR.

Are you happy with the way roc conducted that vote?
65% of TCs said yes.


55.5% AGAINST and 44.5% FOR.

That means yes. If that is the kind of true democracy you are offering, it will 2 countries sooner or later. It may have to be cajoled a little bit but it will get there.
That was not up to TC standards, and even the TC standard is not that high.
Not worth the paper it was written on.


YFred, just face it, that you do not have a clue what a democracy is. People voted on the AP and it failed. What's so undemocratic about that if PapaD was against it. It was his democratic right to reject it and the same went to 55.5% all those who voted on both sides of the divide. Just accept it, it was a lousy plan and 55.5% of all those who voted on both sides of the divide said OXI to it. It's very simple to understand really.!

2 countries.??? According to you and the north, there are already two countries in Cyprus.! What happened, all of a sudden the north is no longer a country and will become one soon.!! :? :? :?

You have been reading Talat's "Plan B", haven't you.?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby boulio » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:24 pm

Looking at it more closely it really comes down to allowing the existing settlers to stay there as Greeks from the mainland have done on the south.
I like the 2 air regions idea, go on Talat, bit of forward planning this time.



Greeks from the mainland and french from brittany,spaniards from barcelona etc etc can settle in cyprus,They are in the EU.aNALYST TODAY STATED THE the demand turkey made concerning turks settling in cyprus would not be accepted in th eu since it would violate the schegan treaty.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:40 pm

Malapapa wrote:
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Is this for real? I almost pissed myself laughing. Turkey's plan B is to put forward more and more ridiculous proposals in order to collapse the talks so that the ROC will panic and accept a solution on Turkish terms? This is what was dreamt up in a closed-door meeting of Turkey's chief policy experts? This is the best of Turkish brains? Oh dear. I can't wait for a plan C...


Wasn't this the strategy with the Annan plan? Make it ridiculous enough so that it wouldn't be accepted and then call for partition.


Spot on boys.

It's been Plan B since the '50s. It's always been about Annexation.

Outrageous demands piled on top of outrageous demands, all designed to avoid settlement.

This latest demand for an open-door for Turks throughout the Republic just goes to prove the extent to which Turkey wants to avoid a settlement. A demand which really takes the biscuit.
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Postby Acikgoz » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:44 pm

That's what I thought at first but have since then I have seen some more dialogue about it and it is only for Turks that are there right now.

Personally I'd have gone down the path of insisting Turks from the mainland should have free settlement priviledges. Before you know it there wouldn't be a race issue any more - would be just one big messed up family.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:49 pm

Acikgoz wrote:That's what I thought at first but have since then I have seen some more dialogue about it and it is only for Turks that are there right now.

Personally I'd have gone down the path of insisting Turks from the mainland should have free settlement priviledges. Before you know it there wouldn't be a race issue any more - would be just one big messed up family.

You're ALL Turks from the mainland! Whether you came here illegally in 1570, 1648, 1839, 1923, 1987, or 2008, what bloody difference does it make? Cypriots did not give you permission.

You see, the legality of YOUR stay is as debatable as that of a Turk who arrived yesterday!
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