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[Acikgoz]

Tks for news on negs halil.

[B25]

Give it up gardash. Talking to these misantrhopists is a waste of time.

we already solved the problem Gardash ..... The solution of the Buyuk han

our parliment is established too .....

Is that Downer in the middle wearing sunglasses? Surely not!

yes Tim....

Yes Tim, it is corrupt Downer who is on Turkeys payroll, why else would he be there supporting these racists.

They have fed him a bunch of horse shit about how we should give over our country to the crooks, well he does have a job to do, doesn't he

[BirKibrisli]

..The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

Bir, would you explain what you mean by "the process" which was strangled in 1963?

Do you mean the process of democratisation where TCs and GCs (etc) were to have equal voting power and no forced GC/TC President/Vice positions?

Or, do you mean the process which was started by the TCs/TMT to partition the island into a 'TC state' and a 'GC state'?

If you took your blinkers off and considered my whole post,you'd know what I meant...

...But the majority of the settlers need to be repatriated after a solution to give the Cypriots a real chance of building their own nation...The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

The process was Cypriots building their own nation....After an eternity ,Cypriots had a chance to become an independent nation...But they had their own agendas...And guess which came first???? yep,the GC dream of Enosis with Greece....Would you accept that as fact or would you like proof of that too???

I saw the whole phrase ... I reduced it to component parts for clarification.

So, would you please answer which of these two possible processes you meant for 1963 onwards (forget "dreams") was responsible for strangling the Cypriot nation's future ...


(1) Do you mean the process of democratisation where TCs and GCs (etc) were to have equal voting power and no forced GC/TC President/Vice positions?

(2) Do you mean the process which was started by the TCs/TMT to partition the island into a 'TC state' and a 'GC state'?

Which of those two processes would have "strangled" the chance of Cypriots building their own nation?

None of the above...But there are 2 other processes which put an end to the dream of building a unique nation....

1...The greed which made Makarios not satisfied with sharing 70-30 the executive power with Turkish Cypriots in 1963....

2...The stupidity which made Sampson attempt his coup to bring about ENOSIS with Greece by force of arms in 1974....

I can think of others,but these 2 will do for now...

Take your pick....

You were talking about processes which strangled the future of Cypriots back in 1963 ... So, why did you now introduce something from 1974?

If you stop using words from your imagination ("greed") and look at some facts, then you may manage an honest answer and stop kidding yourself, and us, about what you really believe.

You are struggling to admit that it is the Process of Democratisation which you believe strangled Cyprus. And, by also refusing to admit 'strangulation' had anything to do with the TC/TMT efforts to bring about partition then you have allied yourself with all the other TC partitionists.

Keep your heart and your mind shut to the TC pain and loss and soon,Oracle,you will be living in a democratic country talking about the human rights of the majority in Cyprus,the settlers from Anatolia...
And you will rue the day you were not satisfied with sharing political power with the TCs 70-30 (Veto or no veto),back in the good old days of 60-63....

Unlike you I am not a racist.

The 70,000 can be Anatolians or TCs ... I do not care.

Just so long as they respect democracy, Human Rights and are allied to the RoC and not Turkey.

Would you be upset if some of those Anatolians were rather more "impressive" and, eventually, patriotic to Cyprus, more so than you TCs, they are replacing, have ever been?

70,000?????


There are 700,000 in the trnc as we speak...some people think even more (nearing a million mark)....look out for a thread I will soon open with that information...

[B25]

Thank you Bir for your empathy and compassion that you keep going on about.

More blackmail threats. Makes not difference 700,000 or 7m, they are all illegal, the more you illegally import the hard it will be for you to join the rest of the world, never mind EU.

keep going, your threats are empty, but thats all a Turk knows, to take by force, yes???

I almost felt for you a couple of threads back, then you show your true colours again and again, so now I know who I am dealing with, I won't be turning my back on you mate.

Have a nice day.

[BirKibrisli]

Thank you Bir for your empathy and compassion that you keep going on about.

More blackmail threats. Makes not difference 700,000 or 7m, they are all illegal, the more you illegally import the hard it will be for you to join the rest of the world, never mind EU.

keep going, your threats are empty, but thats all a Turk knows, to take by force, yes???

I almost felt for you a couple of threads back, then you show your true colours again and again, so now I know who I am dealing with, I won't be turning my back on you mate.

Have a nice day.

You too,B25...have a nice day...Remember,a true friend is not one who tells you what you want to hear,but one who tells you what it is in your interest to know...Whether you like it or not...

[Oracle]

..The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

Bir, would you explain what you mean by "the process" which was strangled in 1963?

Do you mean the process of democratisation where TCs and GCs (etc) were to have equal voting power and no forced GC/TC President/Vice positions?

Or, do you mean the process which was started by the TCs/TMT to partition the island into a 'TC state' and a 'GC state'?

If you took your blinkers off and considered my whole post,you'd know what I meant...

...But the majority of the settlers need to be repatriated after a solution to give the Cypriots a real chance of building their own nation...The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

The process was Cypriots building their own nation....After an eternity ,Cypriots had a chance to become an independent nation...But they had their own agendas...And guess which came first???? yep,the GC dream of Enosis with Greece....Would you accept that as fact or would you like proof of that too???

I saw the whole phrase ... I reduced it to component parts for clarification.

So, would you please answer which of these two possible processes you meant for 1963 onwards (forget "dreams") was responsible for strangling the Cypriot nation's future ...


(1) Do you mean the process of democratisation where TCs and GCs (etc) were to have equal voting power and no forced GC/TC President/Vice positions?

(2) Do you mean the process which was started by the TCs/TMT to partition the island into a 'TC state' and a 'GC state'?

Which of those two processes would have "strangled" the chance of Cypriots building their own nation?

None of the above...But there are 2 other processes which put an end to the dream of building a unique nation....

1...The greed which made Makarios not satisfied with sharing 70-30 the executive power with Turkish Cypriots in 1963....

2...The stupidity which made Sampson attempt his coup to bring about ENOSIS with Greece by force of arms in 1974....

I can think of others,but these 2 will do for now...

Take your pick....

You were talking about processes which strangled the future of Cypriots back in 1963 ... So, why did you now introduce something from 1974?

If you stop using words from your imagination ("greed") and look at some facts, then you may manage an honest answer and stop kidding yourself, and us, about what you really believe.

You are struggling to admit that it is the Process of Democratisation which you believe strangled Cyprus. And, by also refusing to admit 'strangulation' had anything to do with the TC/TMT efforts to bring about partition then you have allied yourself with all the other TC partitionists.

Keep your heart and your mind shut to the TC pain and loss and soon,Oracle,you will be living in a democratic country talking about the human rights of the majority in Cyprus,the settlers from Anatolia...
And you will rue the day you were not satisfied with sharing political power with the TCs 70-30 (Veto or no veto),back in the good old days of 60-63....

Unlike you I am not a racist.

The 70,000 can be Anatolians or TCs ... I do not care.

Just so long as they respect democracy, Human Rights and are allied to the RoC and not Turkey.

Would you be upset if some of those Anatolians were rather more "impressive" and, eventually, patriotic to Cyprus, more so than you TCs, they are replacing, have ever been?

70,000?????


There are 700,000 in the trnc as we speak...some people think even more (nearing a million mark)....look out for a thread I will soon open with that information...

I was referring to the 70,000 TCs who "left" the free part of Cyprus ... but I can see how you got mixed up with Anatolians You're all the same to me, I'm not racist. But only 70,000 putative RoC-citizens of "Turkish" origin allowed back!

[halil]

Last tangos on Cyprus .................

Greek Cypriots reject Turkish Cypriots' settlement proposals


The Greek Cypriot authorities rejected on Sunday proposals by the Turkish Cypriot leader on state regulations in case of the reunification of Cyprus, local media reported.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkey invaded the north in response to a military coup on the island that was backed by Athens. The Turkish Cypriot state is recognized only by Turkey.

UN-mediated talks, aimed at the reunification of Cyprus, are being held between the leaders of the Greek and the Turkish parts of the island.

Earlier this week, Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat handed over his proposals on desirable state regulations to the Greek Cypriot authorities.

"The proposals are admittedly unacceptable. They cannot be a base for discussions," spokesman for the Greek Cypriot government Stephanos Stephanou was quoted by media reports as saying.

According to local papers, Mehmet Ali Talat's proposals focus on the creation of a confederation-like state, while UN resolutions stipulate a federation should be created in the island.

In particular, the Turkish Cypriot leader has proposed to establish the position of vice president, who is to be elected from representatives of the Turkish community. Both the president and the vice president should have a veto right. Besides, Talat has proposed to replace a one-house parliament by a two-house body, with a half of seats in its upper house intended for representatives of the island's Turkish Cypriot minority.

A new round of talks between Talat and Greek Cypriot President Demetris Christofias is scheduled to start on Monday.

ATHENS, January 10 (RIA Novosti)
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100110/157505989.html


Talat's proposals for the new State

Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmed Ali Talat offers Cypriots to vote for leader of the Turkish Cypriots, Turks in Cyprus to obtain the status similar to that of European citizens and to create two separate areas for air traffic control in the north and south.

Special Advisor to the General Secretariat of the UN Alexander Downer gave the proposals made by Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat on the issue of governance, to President of the Republic of Cyprus Dimitris Hristofias.

According to the Turkish media the proposals are the following:

- President and Vice President, who will come from different communities will be selected by vote of both Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots based on a procedure which the Turks and Turkish Cypriots call "cross-voting”. Except for the leader of their community Cypriots will vote also for a Turkish Cypriot leader, but their votes will be counted with a heavier factor. According to publications Cypriots insist that their vote should be counted for 25% and Ankara is discuss the possibility about 20%, depending on what they will receive in return.

- Among some of Ankara’s requests, which will be set for discussion by the Turkish Cypriot leader, is to recognize the right of Turkish citizens to move freely, buy real estate and to be employed as al EU citizens have those rights, while Turkey is still not a member. In this way, Ankara is trying to ensure the regime for its citizens stay on the island, but it does not think that the final decision on this question will come from the EU.

- Turkey insists for the creation of two different areas of air traffic control – from the Turkish Cypriots to the north and from the Greek Cypriots to the south.

- The president and vice president of the new state should have the right for a veto over decisions of the Ministerial Council.

According to the representative of the Cypriot government Stefanos Stefanou, Mr. Hristofias will notify the parties involved in the National Council about the proposals and will consult with them because Talat's proposals relate to the negotiations, which will begin on Monday.
http://www.grreporter.info/en/talats_pr ... state/1785

[Me Ed]

I really wish Turkey would stop interfering.

These negotiations are for Cypriots and not for any foreign country to take advantage of the situation.

[halil]

Talat and Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias met this morning again within the framework of the intensive round of talks launched yesterday.
The two leaders will meet again tomorrow to complete the first round of the talks which are taking place at the official residence of the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative for Cyprus Taye Brook Zerihoun.
The second round of the meetings will be held on the 25th, 26th and 27th of January.
On his return to the Presidential Palace after yesterday’s leaders’ meeting which lasted 9 hours, President Talat said that he and the Greek Cypriot Leader were mainly focused on `Governance and Power Sharing`.
But, the President stopped short to provide any details.
Asked whether the Greek Cypriot Side submitted a written proposal to the Turkish Side, the President said that the Greek Cypriot Side shared its views concerning the chapter of governance and power sharing with the Turkish Side.
Noting that the Greek Cypriot Side did not present anything in response to the proposals he brought to the table at the previous meeting between him and Christofias, he said `We didn’t waste our time on the first day of the intensive talks`.
He rejected the news claims that the first round of the intensive talks was launched under a tense atmosphere because of the Greek Cypriot Side’s announcement that the Turkish Side’s proposals are `unacceptable`.
For his part, Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias told reporters at the end of the meeting that he and Talat exchanged views freely on the various aspects of governance without any document as a basis.
He added that they have reached an understanding that ``nothing is agreed unless everything is agreed.``

``There was a discussion which indicates that we will continue the discussion``, he said.
On the Turkish Side’s latest proposals, Christofias said he analysed the proposals verbally at yesterday’s meeting and added that the Greek Cypriot Side will submit its view in writing.

[denizaksulu]

Talat and Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias met this morning again within the framework of the intensive round of talks launched yesterday.
The two leaders will meet again tomorrow to complete the first round of the talks which are taking place at the official residence of the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative for Cyprus Taye Brook Zerihoun.
The second round of the meetings will be held on the 25th, 26th and 27th of January.
On his return to the Presidential Palace after yesterday’s leaders’ meeting which lasted 9 hours, President Talat said that he and the Greek Cypriot Leader were mainly focused on `Governance and Power Sharing`.
But, the President stopped short to provide any details.
Asked whether the Greek Cypriot Side submitted a written proposal to the Turkish Side, the President said that the Greek Cypriot Side shared its views concerning the chapter of governance and power sharing with the Turkish Side.
Noting that the Greek Cypriot Side did not present anything in response to the proposals he brought to the table at the previous meeting between him and Christofias, he said `We didn’t waste our time on the first day of the intensive talks`.
He rejected the news claims that the first round of the intensive talks was launched under a tense atmosphere because of the Greek Cypriot Side’s announcement that the Turkish Side’s proposals are `unacceptable`.
For his part, Greek Cypriot Leader Christofias told reporters at the end of the meeting that he and Talat exchanged views freely on the various aspects of governance without any document as a basis.
He added that they have reached an understanding that ``nothing is agreed unless everything is agreed.``

``There was a discussion which indicates that we will continue the discussion``, he said.
On the Turkish Side’s latest proposals, Christofias said he analysed the proposals verbally at yesterday’s meeting and added that the Greek Cypriot Side will submit its view in writing.

Hucking Feck. One says one thing the other something else.

Someone wake me up and tell me the results (after any referandum). Then I will settle in ...........................