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[Get Real!]

Enjoy you lemon pudding while reading this:

"Remains of 13 martyrs, who were killed by Greek Cypriots in the village of Alaminos during the 1974 Peace Operation, laid to rest today with a military ceremony."

I don't know where you get the gall to post the story of a mere 13 people killed during your "Peace Operation" while other Turkish Cypriots happily took part in the killing of 5,000 Greek Cypriots!

sorry ,I forgot that robots only go by numbers....It takes humans with compassion in their hearts to feel for even one innocent person killed in any senseless act of violence..Keep up the good work GR/Oracle,Partition is getting closer by the day...No one is safe in any democracy with you in it....

You’re like a Nazi during WWII, disgruntled that Jews managed to butcher 100 Germans!

[BirKibrisli]

Enjoy you lemon pudding while reading this:

"Remains of 13 martyrs, who were killed by Greek Cypriots in the village of Alaminos during the 1974 Peace Operation, laid to rest today with a military ceremony."

I don't know where you get the gall to post the story of a mere 13 people killed during your "Peace Operation" while other Turkish Cypriots happily took part in the killing of 5,000 Greek Cypriots!

sorry ,I forgot that robots only go by numbers....It takes humans with compassion in their hearts to feel for even one innocent person killed in any senseless act of violence..Keep up the good work GR/Oracle,Partition is getting closer by the day...No one is safe in any democracy with you in it....

You’re like a Nazi during WWII, disgruntled that Jews managed to butcher 100 Germans!

No no...You are like a very pompous and arrogant Israeli now,arguing that you could not possibly worry about the killing of a few thousand Palestinians,just a drop in the Jewish holocaust ocean....

[Nikitas]

Just when we are getting close to a plan that might be acceptable, Talat inserts the clause that mainland Turkish nationals must have the right of residence, establishment, movement and property in the resulting republic.

In other words he inserts a clause that he KNOWS cannot be accepted by the GC side. Whos is boycotting whom in this story?

This is rationalised as a way to equalise Greek and Turkish interests in Cyprus. No kidding! After dumping hundreds of thousands of settlers in Cyprus now Turkey wants equality, How is that achievable, we ask Greece to dump as many Greeks as there are Turks so we can even things out?

Do the majority of TCs want mainland Turks to have these reights requested by Talat? Anyone asked them?

[Oracle]

Enjoy you lemon pudding while reading this:

"Remains of 13 martyrs, who were killed by Greek Cypriots in the village of Alaminos during the 1974 Peace Operation, laid to rest today with a military ceremony."

I don't know where you get the gall to post the story of a mere 13 people killed during your "Peace Operation" while other Turkish Cypriots happily took part in the killing of 5,000 Greek Cypriots!

sorry ,I forgot that robots only go by numbers....It takes humans with compassion in their hearts to feel for even one innocent person killed in any senseless act of violence..Keep up the good work GR/Oracle,Partition is getting closer by the day...No one is safe in any democracy with you in it....

You’re like a Nazi during WWII, disgruntled that Jews managed to butcher 100 Germans!

No no...You are like a very pompous and arrogant Israeli now,arguing that you could not possibly worry about the killing of a few thousand Palestinians,just a drop in the Jewish holocaust ocean....

If you were a little more factual, and less prone to fantasy, you would realise there is no analogy outrageous and atrocious enough to describe what Turkey has enacted on the GCs and continues to do, still ... giving full license to those, like you, who swell with pride in their imagined past miseries that now they deserve these GAINS.

[Paphitis]

Oracle???? where areeeeee youuuuuuuuu?????

Are you digesting the information on the 2 links I gave you?????

aloooooooooo?????? CAt got your tongue

We wish.
Oh what a joyous occasion that would be.

Not long ago you were proclaiming that yout motherland is the island of Cyprus. I see now you have changed your mind and have become another foreigner on our shores.

Well I guess that makes you very naive and stupid, for the rest of us never had any doubt as Y-Fred's or Bir's sincerity.

They are NOT Cypriots!

[Paphitis]

Enjoy you lemon pudding while reading this:

"Remains of 13 martyrs, who were killed by Greek Cypriots in the village of Alaminos during the 1974 Peace Operation, laid to rest today with a military ceremony."

I don't know where you get the gall to post the story of a mere 13 people killed during your "Peace Operation" while other Turkish Cypriots happily took part in the killing of 5,000 Greek Cypriots!

sorry ,I forgot that robots only go by numbers....It takes humans with compassion in their hearts to feel for even one innocent person killed in any senseless act of violence..Keep up the good work GR/Oracle,Partition is getting closer by the day...No one is safe in any democracy with you in it....

You’re like a Nazi during WWII, disgruntled that Jews managed to butcher 100 Germans!

No no...You are like a very pompous and arrogant Israeli now,arguing that you could not possibly worry about the killing of a few thousand Palestinians,just a drop in the Jewish holocaust ocean....

And I suppose you are just the same as a German Nazi responsible for the holocaust and an Israeli bulldozing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians to make way for a new Jewish settlement!

And then you have the audacity to talk about empathy and trust whilst trying to tell us that the Turkish troops should stay!

[Me Ed]

Just when we are getting close to a plan that might be acceptable, Talat inserts the clause that mainland Turkish nationals must have the right of residence, establishment, movement and property in the resulting republic.

In other words he inserts a clause that he KNOWS cannot be accepted by the GC side. Whos is boycotting whom in this story?

This is rationalised as a way to equalise Greek and Turkish interests in Cyprus. No kidding! After dumping hundreds of thousands of settlers in Cyprus now Turkey wants equality, How is that achievable, we ask Greece to dump as many Greeks as there are Turks so we can even things out?

Do the majority of TCs want mainland Turks to have these reights requested by Talat? Anyone asked them?

No they do not Nikitas and here is why Viewpoint and Expatkiwi have not contributed a jot to this thread:

Taken from the Do GCs really understand what TCs want? thread:

do you have any clues as to where the average TC stands on the issue of settlers(new generation Tcs)??

Viewpoint, I'd be surprised if any large numbers of Turkish Cypriots would be supportive of the Anatolian Settlers in the TRNC.

Well done Expat at least someone has understood something that we have been saying thank you.

From what I understand, the issue of Anatolian migration was the first major bone of contention between Turkey and TRNC after Talat came to power. If Talat is saying that they are all TRNC citizens, then I would have to surmise that he had been "brought around" to the pro-migration position. This despite the fact that the Anatolian migrants have been contributing to the unemployment in the TRNC, not to mention the increase in crime...

pontian greeks in cyprus are greek citizens, not RoC citizens. They can vote in local elections but not national elections. They wont be voting in a referendum as opposed to the 'trnc citizens' who will pretty much hold the deciding votes in a referendum for unification.

So you wont mind this claim being checked out with the same rules that we agree to apply to settlers in the north being applied to those in the south? that arrived after 1974.

Voters should be restricted to those born IN Cyprus before 1974, and open to the disapora. That way, no migrant mess...

[Viewpoint]

Just when we are getting close to a plan that might be acceptable, Talat inserts the clause that mainland Turkish nationals must have the right of residence, establishment, movement and property in the resulting republic.

In other words he inserts a clause that he KNOWS cannot be accepted by the GC side. Whos is boycotting whom in this story?

This is rationalised as a way to equalise Greek and Turkish interests in Cyprus. No kidding! After dumping hundreds of thousands of settlers in Cyprus now Turkey wants equality, How is that achievable, we ask Greece to dump as many Greeks as there are Turks so we can even things out?

Do the majority of TCs want mainland Turks to have these reights requested by Talat? Anyone asked them?

No they do not Nikitas and here is why Viewpoint and Expatkiwi have not contributed a jot to this thread:

Taken from the Do GCs really understand what TCs want? thread:

do you have any clues as to where the average TC stands on the issue of settlers(new generation Tcs)??

Viewpoint, I'd be surprised if any large numbers of Turkish Cypriots would be supportive of the Anatolian Settlers in the TRNC.

Well done Expat at least someone has understood something that we have been saying thank you.

From what I understand, the issue of Anatolian migration was the first major bone of contention between Turkey and TRNC after Talat came to power. If Talat is saying that they are all TRNC citizens, then I would have to surmise that he had been "brought around" to the pro-migration position. This despite the fact that the Anatolian migrants have been contributing to the unemployment in the TRNC, not to mention the increase in crime...

pontian greeks in cyprus are greek citizens, not RoC citizens. They can vote in local elections but not national elections. They wont be voting in a referendum as opposed to the 'trnc citizens' who will pretty much hold the deciding votes in a referendum for unification.

So you wont mind this claim being checked out with the same rules that we agree to apply to settlers in the north being applied to those in the south? that arrived after 1974.

Voters should be restricted to those born IN Cyprus before 1974, and open to the disapora. That way, no migrant mess...

So Med Ed do you accept we treat all those that settled on the island after 1974 the same? or is it one rule for GCs and another for TCs?

[Me Ed]

Just when we are getting close to a plan that might be acceptable, Talat inserts the clause that mainland Turkish nationals must have the right of residence, establishment, movement and property in the resulting republic.

In other words he inserts a clause that he KNOWS cannot be accepted by the GC side. Whos is boycotting whom in this story?

This is rationalised as a way to equalise Greek and Turkish interests in Cyprus. No kidding! After dumping hundreds of thousands of settlers in Cyprus now Turkey wants equality, How is that achievable, we ask Greece to dump as many Greeks as there are Turks so we can even things out?

Do the majority of TCs want mainland Turks to have these reights requested by Talat? Anyone asked them?

No they do not Nikitas and here is why Viewpoint and Expatkiwi have not contributed a jot to this thread:

Taken from the Do GCs really understand what TCs want? thread:

do you have any clues as to where the average TC stands on the issue of settlers(new generation Tcs)??

Viewpoint, I'd be surprised if any large numbers of Turkish Cypriots would be supportive of the Anatolian Settlers in the TRNC.

Well done Expat at least someone has understood something that we have been saying thank you.

From what I understand, the issue of Anatolian migration was the first major bone of contention between Turkey and TRNC after Talat came to power. If Talat is saying that they are all TRNC citizens, then I would have to surmise that he had been "brought around" to the pro-migration position. This despite the fact that the Anatolian migrants have been contributing to the unemployment in the TRNC, not to mention the increase in crime...

pontian greeks in cyprus are greek citizens, not RoC citizens. They can vote in local elections but not national elections. They wont be voting in a referendum as opposed to the 'trnc citizens' who will pretty much hold the deciding votes in a referendum for unification.

So you wont mind this claim being checked out with the same rules that we agree to apply to settlers in the north being applied to those in the south? that arrived after 1974.

Voters should be restricted to those born IN Cyprus before 1974, and open to the disapora. That way, no migrant mess...

So Med Ed do you accept we treat all those that settled on the island after 1974 the same? or is it one rule for GCs and another for TCs?

VP, I believe that all eventual citizens of a united Cyprus should be treated the same.

I accept the the current settlers are there and should be allowed to stay post solution.

I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this

I think the current settlers can be accommodated in a solution and speaking from my own personal circumstances, I own property in Kyrenia where a settler now lives. Unlike some other GCs, I would not necessarily want the settler simply thrown off my property as part of a solution.

I would settle for a) recognition in a TC administered area that it is my property and b) rent for the property from the current tennant starting from a a future re-unification date (I do not want back-rent as this would be counter-productive to a solution).

I would be happy for the TC administration to implement rent controls to protect the tennant from unscrupulous landlords.

However, I would not think it unfair to have the property back, way in the future when the settler eventually vacates the property.

[Malapapa]

So Med Ed do you accept we treat all those that settled on the island after 1974 the same? or is it one rule for GCs and another for TCs?

VP, I believe that all eventual citizens of a united Cyprus should be treated the same.

I accept the the current settlers are there and should be allowed to stay post solution.

I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this

I think the current settlers can be accommodated in a solution and speaking from my own personal circumstances, I own property in Kyrenia where a settler now lives. Unlike some other GCs, I would not necessarily want the settler simply thrown off my property as part of a solution.

I would settle for a) recognition in a TC administered area that it is my property and b) rent for the property from the current tennant starting from a a future re-unification date (I do not want back-rent as this would be counter-productive to a solution).

I would be happy for the TC administration to implement rent controls to protect the tennant from unscrupulous landlords.

However, I would not think it unfair to have the property back, way in the future when the settler eventually vacates the property.

My goodness, Me Ed. Do you want Viewpoint's head to explode?