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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:54 am

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:It is not international law that stops Ercan from being used it is the RoC.

The RoC is the law on the island of Cyprus and anything else like the “TRNC” is just a temporary illegality. There is no escape…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle18.htm

If what you are saying is true than we would still be in caves. There is something called progress and new countries are born all the time and old ones split or disappear too.
RIP roc, I hope I never have to say that.


Look who just dropped and soiled the forum....Image

If you think the RoC is dead, then what does that make the "trnc"....Image

Next idiot please..... :D
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:13 pm

(11) The so-called flight control center in occupied Cyprus is illegal

The so-called flight control center in occupied Cyprus is illegal, Leonidou says

Nicosia, Jan 12 (CNA) - The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), as well as other flight safety organizations, consider the activities of the so called flight control center, in Turkish occupied Cyprus, as illegal, said Monday Director of the Civil Aviation Department of Cyprus, Leonidas Leonidou.

''The whole air space of Cyprus is national and under the full control of the Republic of Cyprus", Leonidou said in statements to journalists on the sidelines of a seminar on flight safety, organized by the Cyprus Air Traffic Controllers Association in cooperation with the International Federation of Air Traffic Controllers' Associations and Eurocontrol.

Asked about the difficulties the Cypriot traffic controllers face due to the illegal operation of the airport in the Turkish occupied area of Tympou, Leonidou noted that the air traffic control area of the Republic of Cyprus "is not divided, it still remains unified".

But he added that ''there is interference due to the Turkish occupation and the illegal control center, the operation of which is illegal and falls outside the ICAO specifications and other flight safety organizations".

Leonidou recalled that the ICAO has already in the past expressed its opinion on the issue, namely that ''the whole air space of Cyprus is national and under the full control of the Republic of Cyprus, despite the fact that the Republic of Cyprus is prevented from exercising full control over its whole territory".

''So, based on the ICAO positions, it is clear that the air traffic controllers of the Republic are legalized and should exercise their duties over the whole Nicosia FIR (Flight Information Region)", he said.

Leonidou noted that the Republic of Cyprus fully recognizes the Flight Information Region of Ankara.

''We try to have full cooperation with them, but Turkey, in its effort to create an illegal entity in the northern Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus, has transferred the 'sovereignty' of part of the southern FIR of Turkey to what is called 'Ercan' center, so that they do not come in direct contact with our control center", he said.

Leonidou pointed out that the Turkish activities are illegal and cause many implications.

CNA/NMA/AAR/GV/2009
ENDS, CYPRUS NEWS AGENCY
12/01/2009
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:39 pm

Eurocontrol concerned about illegal airport in occupied Cyprus
16 November, 2006

The existence of the illegally operating airport in Turkish-occupied Cyprus creates problems in air safety, notes Eurocontrol, calling for an international meeting to take place in order to end practices applied by Turkey and the illegal airport authorities.

In statements to CNA Thursday, on the sidelines of an International Seminar on air safety, Eurocontrol Deputy Director of ATM Strategies, Lex
Hendriks, stressed that the airline industry and the pilots express concern over the existence of the illegal airport (Ercan), which confuses pilots and threatens air safety.

"I am a pilot myself and very often I fly through this region. The airline industry and the pilots are very concerned about the inadequate interfaces between Cyprus and its northern neighbour Turkey, because of the introduction of an ATC service (in occupied Cyprus) that is not recognized by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)", he said.

The Eurocontrol official said that no matter how politically sensitive this issue is, it
must be resolved since "it is a potentially unsafe situation".

''We cannot leave this hanging, it has to be resolved, it is a potentially unsafe situation and I know it is politically very sensitive but we should address it and resolve it'', Hendriks told a seminar on air safety Thursday.

Answering questions by CNA, he explained that Turkey requests from all aircraft flying from Turkey to the airspace of Cyprus to call the illegal airport in the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus for further instructions.

Most pilots, he said, are well aware of the situation with the illegal airport and ask for instructions from the internationally recognized airport of Larnaca, but there are others who do not know enough about the situation.

"It is very unsafe to have two different radios in Cyprus", he warned.
Hendriks called for "an international seminar to take place on the highest level so that a solution is found to stop Turkey's and Ercan's practices".

He told CNA that the whole situation is causing great concern among pilots.
Answering a question, Hendriks said that although Turkey refuses to recognize the Republic of Cyprus, the issue needs to be addressed, since air traffic in Cyprus will increase year by year.

Since 1974 the Republic of Cyprus is divided by Turkish troops, which occupy one third of the island's territory.

Turkey, a country aspiring to enter the EU, is refusing to recognize Cyprus.
In November 1983 Turkey proclaimed a self-styled regime in the northern occupied areas, which only Ankara recognizes.
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Postby boomerang » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:26 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:It is not international law that stops Ercan from being used it is the RoC.

The RoC is the law on the island of Cyprus and anything else like the “TRNC” is just a temporary illegality. There is no escape…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle18.htm

If what you are saying is true than we would still be in caves. There is something called progress and new countries are born all the time and old ones split or disappear too.
RIP roc, I hope I never have to say that.


ahmmm...knucklehead what makes you think you came out of the cave in the first place?... :lol:
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Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:23 pm

Acikgoz wrote:That's the point, Ercan can be opened if authorised by RoC. RoC continues to perpetuate the problem of mis-trust and animosity whilst at the same time inconveniencing people and adding to the pollution of the global environment.


But the folk trashing you on this forum don't want to know that...
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:20 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:That's the point, Ercan can be opened if authorised by RoC. RoC continues to perpetuate the problem of mis-trust and animosity whilst at the same time inconveniencing people and adding to the pollution of the global environment.


But the folk thrashing you on this forum don't want to know that...


The RoC reigns supreme.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:29 am

Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:That's the point, Ercan can be opened if authorised by RoC. RoC continues to perpetuate the problem of mis-trust and animosity whilst at the same time inconveniencing people and adding to the pollution of the global environment.


But the folk trashing you on this forum don't want to know that...


The RoC reigns supreme.


Methinks not...
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:45 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:That's the point, Ercan can be opened if authorised by RoC. RoC continues to perpetuate the problem of mis-trust and animosity whilst at the same time inconveniencing people and adding to the pollution of the global environment.


But the folk trashing you on this forum don't want to know that...


The RoC reigns supreme.


Methinks not...


Methinks you're still a dim wit!

Kiwis are normally law abiding, friendly and humane. So how do you reconcile the fact that you contradict the overwhelming majority of Kiwis who would normally take the humanitarian approach and condemn ethnic cleansing and occupation in Cyprus? :?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:49 pm

Why cant you GCs stomach foreigners having an opinion which is not in line with yours?
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Postby Acikgoz » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:50 pm

Hey Pathetic, get your house in order before demanding it of others -

"...take the humanitarian approach and condemn ethnic cleansing and occupation in Cyprus?"

Take responsibility for the actions of the GCs. You guys are no magicians, we all saw you do it and it is recorded!
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