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[Get Real!]

What I am saying is : You will have your partition unless you wake up to yourselves,stop minimising the TC pain and loss,so the TCs can begin to trust and respect you....

First of all, we already have partition so quit firing blanks at everyone!

Second, you foolishly assume that the Cyprus Problem is about a lack of GC trust and that once that is sorted out we have a chance to fix things, but you fail to tell us…

WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO TRUST THE INCOMPETENT, TREASONOUS, TURKISH-ENOSIS DRIVEN, UTTERLY CORRUPT, AND SPOILT TURKISH CYPRIOTS???

And here you were thinking that Turkish Cypriots had a problem!

Yep...Just ignore the essential parts of my post,and make your smart alec comments on the last sentence...How intelligent of you,Tiberius!

That's the sentence you bolded isn't it?

I have never seen anyone as blind as you and your alter ego...
You better go and get ready for your war,at this rate the future generation of Cypriots will be condemned to live with conflict and insecurity filled with bitterness and hatred....Just like the last 3 generations...partition hasnt happened yet..It will happen when Turkey annexes the North and you will be sharing Cyprus with one million settlers,sorry new Turkish Cypriots!

As if they can! Keep dreaming...

[Malapapa]

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Exprat: "Oh dear... but don't you think the "TRNC" flag is a nice design?"

[BirKibrisli]

It’s a well established fact that many Turkish Cypriots and Turkey, aimed for partition making them the ones who wanted TCs to move north into enclaves so as to facilitate partition, whereas the Greek Cypriots wanted TCs to stay put so as to avoid partition, so your allegations that Greek Cypriots made them leave have no standing whatsoever!

You’ve got no legs to stand on!

And you have both feet firmly implanted in GC official propaganda...
Without the history of ENOSIS,the EOKA and the odd massacre here and there (which you keep minimising),the TMT had Buckley's chance of getting the TCs to move from their ancestral homes...Back to school,Tiberius,and this time try finding some objective books to read...

Unfortunately for you, the Secretary-General of the UN toasted Turkish Cypriots with…

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"
UN Document S/6426.

Credible evidence just doesn’t get any more credible and authorized than this, so go suck an egg!

What about this from a source you will no doubt call,"not credible"...

On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express “We went tonight into the sealed‑off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror, so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.“

On 12th January 1964 the High Commission in Nicosia wrote to London “The Greek (Cypriot) police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as “special constables” gun-happy young thugs. …….Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved.”

On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross and British paratroops. This harrowing story and many others from that period and 1974 are recounted by the Matron of the Nicosia Hospital, Türkan Aziz MBE, in her memoirs “The Death of Friendship.”

And this :

She recalls how Greek Cypriots roamed the hospital wards killing the Turkish Cypriot patients, and how she found the bodies of two Turkish Cypriot boys who had taken refuge in her own apartment. “The two sat on chairs exactly where I had left them, but this time they did not rise to greet me with smiles. Dark blood welled through the tattered remnants of their shirts and dripped on the carpet. Their Greek Cypriot “guard” had vanished, spraying the staircase senselessly with bullets as he left.”

On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: “When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children’s cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.”

All lies and exagerations no doubt!!!!

[Expatkiwi]

What about this from a source you will no doubt call,"not credible"...

On 28th December 1963 the Daily Express “We went tonight into the sealed‑off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror, so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears.“

On 12th January 1964 the High Commission in Nicosia wrote to London “The Greek (Cypriot) police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as “special constables” gun-happy young thugs. …….Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved.”

On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross and British paratroops. This harrowing story and many others from that period and 1974 are recounted by the Matron of the Nicosia Hospital, Türkan Aziz MBE, in her memoirs “The Death of Friendship.”

And this :

She recalls how Greek Cypriots roamed the hospital wards killing the Turkish Cypriot patients, and how she found the bodies of two Turkish Cypriot boys who had taken refuge in her own apartment. “The two sat on chairs exactly where I had left them, but this time they did not rise to greet me with smiles. Dark blood welled through the tattered remnants of their shirts and dripped on the carpet. Their Greek Cypriot “guard” had vanished, spraying the staircase senselessly with bullets as he left.”

On 1st January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: “When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children’s cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.”

All lies and exagerations no doubt!!!!

GR and his ilk will probably either say that the above was a complete exaggeration, or that TMT did it in order to make it look like it were Greek Cypriot atrocities. The GC's really think that they are total peace-loving hippies...

[Expatkiwi]

Exprat: "Oh dear... but don't you think the "TRNC" flag is a nice design?"

Yes, it is a nice design.

[boomerang]

Why does New Zealand have some of the fastest race horses in the world?
Because the horses have seen what they do with their sheep..

[Paphitis]

... Now,take the obvious propaganda line and say that they left their homes, where their ancestors lived for hundreds of years,voluntarily!!! go on

Just because Turkey twists the ethnic cleansing of 1974, it does not give YOU license to use the same reasoning as only an "argument" against the facts of what actually happened in 1963/4.

This is were you have to wise up, Bir, if you don't want to be part of the Turkish machinery. You should look at the facts and stop thinking a few deaths justify the sole aim of partition of the island by Turkey. Otherwise we will be led to believe you are only justifying your demand for GAINS.

You cannot deny us reality and facts because you wish to replace them with your version of "empathy" for TCs.

You are trying to tell me what my motivation is again,Oracle...That is mind reading...A serious cognitive distortion...

Turkey does what suits Turkey,as you are doing...By closing your mind to the real facts you are becoming part of the propaganda war...
I on the oher hand,having lived through and remember those events,I am trying to wake you up...sure,the TMT was encouraging the TCs to break away...But that would never have been enough,if there wasn't real fear in the TCs regarding their future ,their physical safety in the hands of the EOKA...Where did I say " few death justify partition"...What I am saying is : You will have your partition unless you wake up to yourselves,stop minimising the TC pain and loss,so the TCs can begin to trust and respect you.... The more you deny the original sins of your fathers the more the TCs will mistrust you...
I will say it again: my family lost everything when they left the South..My grandfather built his land holdings from zero...He worked his guts out for 50 odd years to achieve what he did...His partner when he started buying and selling off the back of a donkey was my great Uncle,his brother in law...They walked all around Paphos region barefooted behind their donkeys to get the business started...In 63/64 events that great Uncle of mine was killed on his sick bed by some opportunistic thugs who happened to be of GC background...b ecause he could not escape over the mountains like the rest of his villagers,to escape the coming GC attack... You are insulting me,rubbing salt in my wounds when you deny my life experiences, say I exaggerate everything to justify the TC gains...I am asking again,what TC gains??? Most TCs lost big time,especially those who left the island before 74...You try telling the loved ones of my great Uncle (who I didn't know well,btw) that they should take comfort because more GCs have been killed since...And then expect them to trust and respect you and come and live with you in your democratic paradise...You must be bonkers...Or you know exactly what you are doing...working for Partition....Keep going with your denials and insults and that is exactly what you will get...

The first victims of any Inter Communal Violence were GCs:

Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters, forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish Cypriot populated village of Geunyeli in an totally unprovoked attack, after being dropped off there by the British authorities. After this the Turkish government ordered the TMT to blow up the offices of the Turkish press office in Nicosia in order to falsely put the blame of the Greek Cypriots and prevent independence negotiations from succeeding. It also began a string of assassinations and murders of prominent Turkish Cypriot supporters of independence.

ON June 12 1958, eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriots were murdered by TMT.

Further evidence that TCs instigated the first violent acts against GCs:

In June 1958 the British prime Minister Harold Macmillan was expected to proposed a plan to resolve the Cyprus issue. In light of the new development the Turks created fierce riots in Nicosia aiming to promote the idea that Greeks and Turks could not live together and therefore any plan that would promote that would not be viable, instead partition would be the only viable solution. This violence soon to be followed by bombing, Greek Cypriots deaths and looting of Greek owned stores and houses resulted in Greeks and Turks started to evade mixed populated villages that the respective were a minority in search of safety. This was effectively the beginning of segregation of the two communities.[8]. On the 7th of June 1958 a bomb exploded at the entrance of the Turkish Embassy in Cyprus. Following the bombing Turkish Cypriots looted Greek Cypriot properties. On June 26th 1984 the then Turkish Cypriot Leader, Rauf Denktaş, admitted on British channel ITV that the bomb was placed by the Turks themselves in order to create tension.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedi ... l-violence



The TMT was formed to further the TC dream for partition:

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek, left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense pressure from Turkish separatists.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia. "Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created. However, this so-called `first phase' of the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

The Greek-led Cypriot government said Turkish jets had dropped 750lbs (340 kg) of bombs and napalm on their strongholds in north-west Cyprus.

"The whole area is on fire," said a spokesman for the Cypriot government.

"We cannot estimate casualties but there must be hundreds. Whole villages have been wiped out."

They also accused the Turkish government of landing troops on the north-west coast of the island.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm

But the TMT ideal of TAKSIM continued.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

No one is denying that TCs wanted to have safety in numbers and that some TCs may have feared for their safety due to the intercommunal violence that the TMT initiated against the GCs as early as 1958.

However, it has been proven as FACT that the MAIN reason for enclaves was to more easily achieve the TMT goal of TAKSIM.

[Paphitis]

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NZ Earthquake
A major earthquake, measuring 9.1 on the Richter scale has hit New Zealand this morning. The country is devastated with 350,000 New Zealanders missing, and over 100,000 injured.
The country is totally ruined and the government is so overwhelmed that it has issued a worldwide appeal for assistance. Other nations have been quick to respond to the disaster.
Britain is flying in rescue workers and sniffer dogs to help locate trapped victims.
The USA is flying in food supplies and aid money.
France is flying in doctors, nurses and first aid units.
Japan is flying in high tech communications equipment.
Germany is flying in special trained police squads to help restore order.
Russia is flying in tents and warm clothing.
Australia is flying in 350,000 replacement Kiwis.......

Australian generosity knows no bounds....

[Expatkiwi]

Oh darn it! You folks have finally seen into me! You've forced me to blow my cover! I'm actualy an agent of the Republic Of Cyprus Secret Service, whose mission was to use this forum to insinuate my way into the trust of the Turkish Cypriots here. My real name is Alexis Diabetes, but I hoped that my New Zealand-USA-Arkansas cover would prevent you from tripping to the fact that it was a fraud. Oh my goodness, now I have to go and report to Agent Zero that I can't continue my mission. Woe is me!

(a.i.y.b.t,t.y.b.a)