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[Tim Drayton]

Yeni Düzen reports on the results of a survey into public opinion in the north of Cyprus commissioned by the Greek Cypriot Simerini newspaper:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=15887&z=3

This is the original article:



Everybody here can access one version or the other, so no need for a synopsis here.

The results point to a hardening of attitutudes among Turkish Cypriots which does not bode well for those, like myself, who feel that permanent partition will be bad for the island.

[BirKibrisli]

Yeni Düzen reports on the results of a survey into public opinion in the north of Cyprus commissioned by the Greek Cypriot Simerini newspaper:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=15887&z=3

This is the original article:



Everybody here can access one version or the other, so no need for a synopsis here.

The results point to a hardening of attitutudes among Turkish Cypriots which does not bode well for those, like myself, who feel that permanent partition will be bad for the island.

Perhaps more TCs and settlers than we realise are following CYprus-Forum,and the antics of certain people here...

[Tim Drayton]

Yeni Düzen reports on the results of a survey into public opinion in the north of Cyprus commissioned by the Greek Cypriot Simerini newspaper:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=15887&z=3

This is the original article:



Everybody here can access one version or the other, so no need for a synopsis here.

The results point to a hardening of attitutudes among Turkish Cypriots which does not bode well for those, like myself, who feel that permanent partition will be bad for the island.

Perhaps more TCs and settlers than we realise are following CYprus-Forum,and the antics of certain people here...

Even so, I find it very surprising that 56.4% of respondents said they would not be concerned if one day settlers outnumbered Turkish Cypriots. Admittedly, this was a survey of TRNC citizens rather than just TCs.

[YFred]

Yeni Düzen reports on the results of a survey into public opinion in the north of Cyprus commissioned by the Greek Cypriot Simerini newspaper:

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=15887&z=3

This is the original article:



Everybody here can access one version or the other, so no need for a synopsis here.

The results point to a hardening of attitutudes among Turkish Cypriots which does not bode well for those, like myself, who feel that permanent partition will be bad for the island.

Perhaps more TCs and settlers than we realise are following CYprus-Forum,and the antics of certain people here...

Even so, I find it very surprising that 56.4% of respondents said they would not be concerned if one day settlers outnumbered Turkish Cypriots. Admittedly, this was a survey of TRNC citizens rather than just TCs.

Can everybody stop kidding themselves. I know plenty of TCs who are not concerened about it. The percentage sounds about right. In london, it's even higher than that.

[runaway]

Admittedly, this was a survey of TRNC citizens rather than just TCs.

Only 22% of the ones surveyed is of Türkiye origin.

[Nikitas]

Let's face it, an Eorglu win would simply put things in an honest framework- a TMT man at the helm of what is rapidly becoming a Turkish province. Then we could drop the facade of TCs being in control and all that nonsense. We would be dealing with the full panoply of the Turkish state, represented by a chauvinist Turkish nationalist, and the only point of the talks would be territorial apportionment. This current phase with impossible conditions inserted, like the one about Turkish nationals having the right of residence in the WHOLE of the new repoublic, is a nonsense phase. What is going on now is a non negotiation.

[Tim Drayton]

Let's face it, an Eorglu win would simply put things in an honest framework- a TMT man at the helm of what is rapidly becoming a Turkish province. Then we could drop the facade of TCs being in control and all that nonsense. We would be dealing with the full panoply of the Turkish state, represented by a chauvinist Turkish nationalist, and the only point of the talks would be territorial apportionment. This current phase with impossible conditions inserted, like the one about Turkish nationals having the right of residence in the WHOLE of the new repoublic, is a nonsense phase. What is going on now is a non negotiation.

Fair point - although there is no turning back once you abandon the paradigms on which the current negotiations are based. At least there still remains a faint glimpse of hope that a just and amicable reunion may be attained.

[Nikitas]

Tim,

We abandoned the paradigm way back, when partition became a tangible mid term goal, with total takeover of the island being the end goal.

The opportunity which exists now, and it is more an opportunity for the TC side not the GCs, is to force an alteration of this Turkish strategy. The means to accomplish this is to insist on a truly independent Cyprus, which in turn entails opening up their perception to go beyond the overworked theme of "we do not want to live in a GC dominated island" and the Enosis phantoms. If the TCs have become so weak, or so degraded, as a community that they cannot mobilise for their own survival, then there is nothing we can do.

That Talat was OK with putting on the table the latest list of demands, without realising, as any Cypriot could realise, that they are totally unacceptable to ALL Cypriots, then we know the game is over. Oddly enough it was Eroglu who refused to take political responsibility for tabling the proposals. Even he was not willing to proceed to such an obvious sellout of the TCs.

[BirKibrisli]

Tim,

We abandoned the paradigm way back, when partition became a tangible mid term goal, with total takeover of the island being the end goal.

The opportunity which exists now, and it is more an opportunity for the TC side not the GCs, is to force an alteration of this Turkish strategy. The means to accomplish this is to insist on a truly independent Cyprus, which in turn entails opening up their perception to go beyond the overworked theme of "we do not want to live in a GC dominated island" and the Enosis phantoms. If the TCs have become so weak, or so degraded, as a community that they cannot mobilise for their own survival, then there is nothing we can do.

That Talat was OK with putting on the table the latest list of demands, without realising, as any Cypriot could realise, that they are totally unacceptable to ALL Cypriots, then we know the game is over. Oddly enough it was Eroglu who refused to take political responsibility for tabling the proposals. Even he was not willing to proceed to such an obvious sellout of the TCs.

Nikitas,
I am not sure what these proposals are...Is there any way you can put them up here for discussion???

[BirKibrisli]

PS...It is too late here,and I am too tired to look for them...It will be nice to find them posted here when I wake up...good night world!