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[Acikgoz]

Hey, how's that farmer doing with our land he's planted his crops on? Ilegal/bankrupt/incompetent my butt. Thank Turkey we have our lives and some money coming in, couldn't say that for RoC or Europe.

Also what's with the Star Trek line - you think you're the borg trying to assimilate everyone?

News flash, the world is a diverse place and it is that diversity that makes life for most both a more colourful and enjoyable. But, as we're discussed before, at least that's what I like about you, you are openly a racists.

(see what I mean Niki)

[Tim Drayton]

Niki, sorry but I think it's one of those not seeing the woods for the trees situation.

The average TC does not wish to undermine their position given the aims of the GC politicians. Like the GCs, they are happy in their current homes, they don't want to leave their homes a third time.

The political direction taken by the GCs is woefully repugnant to TCs. To achieve what you are saying requires an about face in GC policies. Hoping to convince TCs to reject living a somewhat unaltered life amongst a growing number of mainland Turks and instead changing their lives and culture around to fit into GC ideas of a solution is simply not going to happen. There is simply too much inertia.

In 2004 there was serious momentum. That has steadily dissapated.

As bir says, simply look at the dialogue from this forum. The fact that I cannot place a flag which I can identify with given the RoC flag is compromised in me eyes until the problem is resolved demonstrates why TCs can never accept what GCs keep insisting on.

This is a simple chat page, doesn't impact either our physical wellbeing, our family's wellbeing or our cultural freedom. If GCs can object enough to reject my identity here then what do think the average TC could do as a minority in Cyprus.

Ps. I'm not having a dig at GCs, just trying to help create better understanding.

At the end of the day, this is the land of the indigenous Cypriots; historically, numerically, financially, and in every other way you can care to mention, and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this island. It’s just common sense!

If I understand correctly, you are rejecting the spirit and letter of the 1959/1960 Zurich and London agreements, and specifically Annex D to the Treaty of Establishment, which makes specific and detailed provision as to who is a citizen of the Republic. Have I got that right?

[Get Real!]

Niki, sorry but I think it's one of those not seeing the woods for the trees situation.

The average TC does not wish to undermine their position given the aims of the GC politicians. Like the GCs, they are happy in their current homes, they don't want to leave their homes a third time.

The political direction taken by the GCs is woefully repugnant to TCs. To achieve what you are saying requires an about face in GC policies. Hoping to convince TCs to reject living a somewhat unaltered life amongst a growing number of mainland Turks and instead changing their lives and culture around to fit into GC ideas of a solution is simply not going to happen. There is simply too much inertia.

In 2004 there was serious momentum. That has steadily dissapated.

As bir says, simply look at the dialogue from this forum. The fact that I cannot place a flag which I can identify with given the RoC flag is compromised in me eyes until the problem is resolved demonstrates why TCs can never accept what GCs keep insisting on.

This is a simple chat page, doesn't impact either our physical wellbeing, our family's wellbeing or our cultural freedom. If GCs can object enough to reject my identity here then what do think the average TC could do as a minority in Cyprus.

Ps. I'm not having a dig at GCs, just trying to help create better understanding.

At the end of the day, this is the land of the indigenous Cypriots; historically, numerically, financially, and in every other way you can care to mention, and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this island. It’s just common sense!

It makes as much sense as the Aboriginees in Australia saying "this is the land of the indigenous people historically,geographically,culturally and spiritually,and every other way you can care to mention,and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this continent..."

You forgot about numerically and financially!

Give it up Bir...

[Get Real!]

Niki, sorry but I think it's one of those not seeing the woods for the trees situation.

The average TC does not wish to undermine their position given the aims of the GC politicians. Like the GCs, they are happy in their current homes, they don't want to leave their homes a third time.

The political direction taken by the GCs is woefully repugnant to TCs. To achieve what you are saying requires an about face in GC policies. Hoping to convince TCs to reject living a somewhat unaltered life amongst a growing number of mainland Turks and instead changing their lives and culture around to fit into GC ideas of a solution is simply not going to happen. There is simply too much inertia.

In 2004 there was serious momentum. That has steadily dissapated.

As bir says, simply look at the dialogue from this forum. The fact that I cannot place a flag which I can identify with given the RoC flag is compromised in me eyes until the problem is resolved demonstrates why TCs can never accept what GCs keep insisting on.

This is a simple chat page, doesn't impact either our physical wellbeing, our family's wellbeing or our cultural freedom. If GCs can object enough to reject my identity here then what do think the average TC could do as a minority in Cyprus.

Ps. I'm not having a dig at GCs, just trying to help create better understanding.

At the end of the day, this is the land of the indigenous Cypriots; historically, numerically, financially, and in every other way you can care to mention, and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this island. It’s just common sense!

If I understand correctly, you are rejecting the spirit and letter of the 1959/1960 Zurich and London agreements, and specifically Annex D to the Treaty of Establishment, which makes specific and detailed provision as to who is a citizen of the Republic. Have I got that right?

Well it wouldn’t be the first time many of us have expressed our dissatisfaction with London/Zurich, and not to mention that the Turkish Cypriots have long abandoned and declared it null & void, as well as the “guarantor powers” who all violated their treaty rendering it invalid.

[Acikgoz]

Give what up gr? You didn't contribute anything...

[Get Real!]

Hey, how's that farmer doing with our land he's planted his crops on? Ilegal/bankrupt/incompetent my butt. Thank Turkey we have our lives and some money coming in, couldn't say that for RoC or Europe.

What land? The one your forefathers stole from mine just after they murdered him?

Also what's with the Star Trek line - you think you're the borg trying to assimilate everyone?

News flash, the world is a diverse place and it is that diversity that makes life for most both a more colourful and enjoyable. But, as we're discussed before, at least that's what I like about you, you are openly a racists.

I don’t have a problem with diversity as long as it remains at the citizen level where it belongs.

[BirKibrisli]

Niki, sorry but I think it's one of those not seeing the woods for the trees situation.

The average TC does not wish to undermine their position given the aims of the GC politicians. Like the GCs, they are happy in their current homes, they don't want to leave their homes a third time.

The political direction taken by the GCs is woefully repugnant to TCs. To achieve what you are saying requires an about face in GC policies. Hoping to convince TCs to reject living a somewhat unaltered life amongst a growing number of mainland Turks and instead changing their lives and culture around to fit into GC ideas of a solution is simply not going to happen. There is simply too much inertia.

In 2004 there was serious momentum. That has steadily dissapated.

As bir says, simply look at the dialogue from this forum. The fact that I cannot place a flag which I can identify with given the RoC flag is compromised in me eyes until the problem is resolved demonstrates why TCs can never accept what GCs keep insisting on.

This is a simple chat page, doesn't impact either our physical wellbeing, our family's wellbeing or our cultural freedom. If GCs can object enough to reject my identity here then what do think the average TC could do as a minority in Cyprus.

Ps. I'm not having a dig at GCs, just trying to help create better understanding.

At the end of the day, this is the land of the indigenous Cypriots; historically, numerically, financially, and in every other way you can care to mention, and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this island. It’s just common sense!

It makes as much sense as the Aboriginees in Australia saying "this is the land of the indigenous people historically,geographically,culturally and spiritually,and every other way you can care to mention,and those that oppose them cannot and should not expect a smooth ride on this continent..."

You forgot about numerically and financially!

Give it up Bir...

I didn't forget..I adapted it to the Australian situation..
What you are saying makes no sense at all...It totally ignores Cyprus history from 1571....some would say much earlier,as the indigenous Cypriots,if by that you mean the GCs, had never ruled in Cyprus,till 1960...When they did,within 3 years, they threw away the baby with the bath water...

[DT.]

Hey, how's that farmer doing with our land he's planted his crops on? Ilegal/bankrupt/incompetent my butt. Thank Turkey we have our lives and some money coming in, couldn't say that for RoC or Europe.

Also what's with the Star Trek line - you think you're the borg trying to assimilate everyone?

News flash, the world is a diverse place and it is that diversity that makes life for most both a more colourful and enjoyable. But, as we're discussed before, at least that's what I like about you, you are openly a racists.

(see what I mean Niki)

If you're so hot on diversity, why cleanse one entire specific ethnic group from their ancestral homes and the northern part of their island? If you're so keen on diversity why fight for a solution that contains 2 ethnically clean zones?

[Acikgoz]

DT I am not justifying division for the sake of division and nowhere have I supported ethnic cleansing. You have too many text book answers and are not finding the appropriate places to put them.

Please take a moment and consider.

[DT.]

DT I am not justifying division for the sake of division and nowhere have I supported ethnic cleansing. You have too many text book answers and are not finding the appropriate places to put them.

Please take a moment and consider.

What am i going to consider Acikgoz when you constantly harp on about racism and people's lack of appreciation of diversity, when the Turkish govt is committing these crimes in your name today?